New Die Antwoord

Jack-Flash-Jr · 2012-01-17T23:47:06+00:00

I fink I fink too much... http://pitchfork.com/news/45095-new-die-antwoord-i-fink-u-freeky/

New Die Antwoord

21Fretter

I like the new track. I'm personally not the biggest fan, only like the big hits and their viral videos (Zef Side, that rap is off the hizzle ?) but I saw their first show at Ramfest way back when by chance and I wasn't too impressed.

Bob-Dubery

Jack Flash Jr wrote: Under white rule, Afrikaans art was heavily sponsored by the government and presented a rigid image of Afrikaners as upstanding Christians — a natural ruling class. After apartheid fell, white artists were free to explore a wider range of personas.

I disagree with that. Things started happening earlier with the Voelvry movement. That provided some skandaal that people seemed to have a need for.

I've got a DVD at home that documents the Voelvry tour with Koos Kombuis, Bernoldus Niemand and Johannes Kerkorrel (note the adopted personas). Koos talks about the first gig that he did with Kerkorrel - which really predated the infamous tour that was to follow. He said they hardly sold a ticket for the first night. During his first song he broke a string. He didn't have any spares on stage. Forgetting that the mic was live he swore "Ooo p**s!". He said the next night was a sell out, everybody in Bloemfontein wanted to see the guy who said p**s on stage.

But enough of this trivial frivolity. The catalyst for musical and artistic change in Afrikaans society was James Phillips AKA Bernoldus Niemand and his song "Hou My Vas, Korporaal". That song, and the album that followed (Wie is Bernoldus Niemand?), caused ripples that reverberated for years after. "Korporaal" opened the door, and the Voelvry tour kicked it wide open.

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So, the "Butcher Boys"/ Ten$ion video is being pulled. There's obviously quite a lot of intellectual property of other artists that they use, but this one was quite obvious. I think Jane Alexander is being quite big about it:

"Ms Alexander does not intend to limit her work's interpretation, and she does not seek to interfere with other artists' work," he was quoted as saying.

"In this case, however, Ms Alexander is concerned that Die Antwoord's use of her work and its context might be publicly perceived as reflecting her own artistic intention. In creating the work, Ms Alexander referred to the dehumanising forces of apartheid."

http://www.channel24.co.za/Music/News/Die-Antwoord-video-pulled-over-copyright-20120214

singemonkey

I'm a little surprised to be honest. I felt that it drew attention to the original work. Die Antwoord is a mash-up of concepts and ideas and anyone thinking it is meant to accurately reflect the source material doesn't have a clue in the first place.

Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I hadn't heard of her work until after seeing Die Antwoord vid. Still, things may look different from her point of view and I respect that.

Jack-Flash-Jr

Here's die artwork... been to see it a few times

They say it's at Iziko now, saw it in JHB a few times (unless I'm confusing the Brixton Tower with the Cable Way)

I think it's a way for the artist to draw attention to her work again...

AlanRatcliffe

singemonkey wrote: I'm a little surprised to be honest. I felt that it drew attention to the original work. Die Antwoord is a mash-up of concepts and ideas and anyone thinking it is meant to accurately reflect the source material doesn't have a clue in the first place.

Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I hadn't heard of her work until after seeing Die Antwoord vid. Still, things may look different from her point of view and I respect that.

Actually any kind of legal tussle will earn both of them attention/free advertising, so everybody wins. ?

I could also see how Jane Alexander might feel that the use of her art in a pop song trivialises it.

...and I still find it funny that a thread about Die Antwoord will stretch on for eight pages when we have other, far better artists.

Hammeron

Brendon "BluJu" Neuhaus wrote: I saw Die Antwoord in CT during December.
They really are amazing.

All the folks that I spoke to from Europe and Auzzie seem to love them.

Prolly cos they can't understand the lyrics.... ?

I reckon a lot of non german speaking people would shy away from listening to Rammstein if they understood the meaning of a lot of the lyrics.....

Warren

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
...and I still find it funny that a thread about Die Antwoord will stretch on for eight pages when we have other, far better artists.

Controversy trumps excellence. Sometimes anyway.

Hammeron

Warren wrote:
Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
...and I still find it funny that a thread about Die Antwoord will stretch on for eight pages when we have other, far better artists.
Controversy trumps excellence. Sometimes anyway.

Mmmmm....a bit sad that.

Warren

Tamla Kahn 'Hammeron' McMahon wrote:
Mmmmm....a bit sad that.

Maybe, I'm not sure.

Happens a lot though. Plenty of people read "The Da Vinci Code," but few people read "Vernon God Little" (even though the latter was hilariously rude and controversial in its own right).

Jack-Flash-Jr

Tamla Kahn 'Hammeron' McMahon wrote:
Warren wrote:
Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
...and I still find it funny that a thread about Die Antwoord will stretch on for eight pages when we have other, far better artists.
Controversy trumps excellence. Sometimes anyway.
Mmmmm....a bit sad that.

It's entertainment ?

I'd rather have an eight page thread about Paul Major and Endless Boogie but I'd have to do all the posting.

Warren

Jack Flash Jr wrote:
It's entertainment ?

I'd rather have an eight page thread about Paul Major and Endless Boogie but I'd have to do all the posting.

That's exactly it. You can post a vid of Guthrie playing Waves and, well, it's astonishingly good. What is there to say, really?

AlanRatcliffe

Warren wrote: You can post a vid of Guthrie playing Waves and, well, it's astonishingly good. What is there to say, really?

Yup. With the good artists, the music does all the speaking...

PeachyDragon

IceCreamMan wrote: I likeeeee ..i wont buyeeee but i likeeee

an i think Yo-Landi is hawt ....(but not in that pic)

she finds me freeky and she likes me a lot .....

Apparently I was in high school with her... it's not her real name of course.
Wikipedia will confirm that. I didn't know her but friends of mine knew her very well.

So she has to go around with a shaved head just so she can put on the mullet wig?

Malkav

Viccy wrote: So, the "Butcher Boys"/ Ten$ion video is being pulled. There's obviously quite a lot of intellectual property of other artists that they use, but this one was quite obvious. I think Jane Alexander is being quite big about it:

To be honest I don't really get how the Butcher Boys reflects anything more than Ms Alexander's desire to make cool looking monsters, I like it, reminds me of:

Well it reminds me of the movie at least in it's general sort of aesthetic, I just think the Pale Man is cool ?

singemonkey wrote: Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I hadn't heard of her work until after seeing Die Antwoord vid. Still, things may look different from her point of view and I respect that.

Honestly I think that the Die Antwoord video looks nothing like her work, they look more like an evil version of the creatures in Avatar or those canibal baby aliens from Space Quest really, or even the Gremlins from the Gremlins movies, or Dark Elves from just about every Dungeons & Dragons game or the creature from Splice...

Galaxy quest aliens

Gremlin

Dark Elf

Splice creature

Ultimately I just think that their work doesn't resemble her work closely enough to warrant what she's claiming, admitedly my above examples do look fairly different in some ways but I imagine it would be pretty easy to come close to something that looks similar to Die Antwoord's video if you mashed together certain aspects of each.

PeachyDragon

RuanR wrote: "The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint... As for the girls, they are forward, immodest and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
Attributed to Peter the Hermit, AD 1274

"What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"
Plato, 4th Century BC

"We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect
their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently
inhabit taverns and have no self control."

Inscription, 6000 year-old Egyptian tomb

+1 !!!
In Visual culture we were taught that this is a recurring opinion every generation has. I mean.. look at the hippies... they certainly were Sunday school children weren't they? and then look at the peasants in the middle ages... I'm sure they never did anything rude. ?

Malkav

Okay having actually seen the preview now, Ms Alexander had it pulled from Youtube, I will admit the guy does resemble the first monster from the Butcher Boys sculpture, or Gerald as I have decided he should be known. The two girls totally look like Avatar creatures mixed with Dark Elves though or something out of the artwork of Quake I...

Jack-Flash-Jr

Chad Adam Browne wrote: Okay having actually seen the preview now, Ms Alexander had it pulled from Youtube, I will admit the guy does resemble the first monster from the Butcher Boys sculpture, or Gerald as I have decided he should be known. The two girls totally look like Avatar creatures mixed with Dark Elves though or something out of the artwork of Quake I...

:roflmao:

Hammeron

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
Warren wrote: You can post a vid of Guthrie playing Waves and, well, it's astonishingly good. What is there to say, really?
Yup. With the good artists, the music does all the speaking...

Exactly the point. Eddie Vedder is enormously entertaining hopping around a stage in a plaid shirt and blue jeans for hours on end, because it is the musicality of the man and his band that does the entertaining.
Die Antwoord is more like a pantomime with the entertainment relying more on the visual than the 'music'.
I'd bet 98% of the crowd at an Antwoord show wouldn't know what a musical instrument was if it came up and bit them on the arse.
So, as a musician, I tend to the former.
Nothing wrong with a good video and some good lighting and pyro to bolster good music tho, mind you.

Malkav

So I was thinking about Butcher Boys and I realised that now that apartheid is over the message about the dehumanising effects of it (If that is in fact even her real intention ?) may be lost on the younger generations who never experienced it, such as myself, so in an effort to help make Butcher Boys relevant again I have come up with this...

Apologies for the bad paint skills :-[