New Die Antwoord

Jack-Flash-Jr · 2012-01-17T23:47:06+00:00

I fink I fink too much... http://pitchfork.com/news/45095-new-die-antwoord-i-fink-u-freeky/

New Die Antwoord

AlanRatcliffe

Vic wrote: Not surprising.....just illustrates his musical bankruptcy ?

Now you're on thin ice. ? He just wanted to make good music, but realised that the only way to make enough money to afford to do so was to put lowest-common-denominator lyrics over the top of some of said music. The man was writing twelve tone serial music at 15 for heaven's sake...

vic

X-rated Bob wrote:
Hammeron wrote:
Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
I don't want to continue flogging the horse but let me repeat my main point here: the art and the performance do not necessarily reflect the life and values of the artist.

Other than that, there's plenty of murder, devils, deviance, gratuitous sex and violence in rock music, so whilst I don't particularly like Die Antwoord I'm careful about getting too Tipper Gore about them.

Again, rock was not originally about these vulgar things.......but became a vehicle for it via musically bankrupt performers

MIKA-the-better-one

Vic wrote:
X-rated Bob wrote:
Hammeron wrote:
Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
I don't want to continue flogging the horse but let me repeat my main point here: the art and the performance do not necessarily reflect the life and values of the artist.

Other than that, there's plenty of murder, devils, deviance, gratuitous sex and violence in rock music, so whilst I don't particularly like Die Antwoord I'm careful about getting too Tipper Gore about them.
Die Antwoord is NOT rock music....please !

Its more rock n roll than most "rock n roll" out there

vic

MIKA the better one wrote:
Vic wrote:
X-rated Bob wrote:
Hammeron wrote:
Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
I don't want to continue flogging the horse but let me repeat my main point here: the art and the performance do not necessarily reflect the life and values of the artist.

Other than that, there's plenty of murder, devils, deviance, gratuitous sex and violence in rock music, so whilst I don't particularly like Die Antwoord I'm careful about getting too Tipper Gore about them.
Die Antwoord is NOT rock music....please !
Its more rock n roll than most "rock n roll" out there

:roflmao: :roflmao:

vic

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
Vic wrote: Not surprising.....just illustrates his musical bankruptcy ?
Now you're on thin ice. ? He just wanted to make good music, but realised that the only way to make enough money to afford to do so was to put lowest-common-denominator lyrics over the top of some of said music. The man was writing twelve tone serial music at 15 for heaven's sake...

I know......he should have taken that to even higher levels ?

Edit: That is what makes it so sad IMHO.....having to become "weird" to make a living

MIKA-the-better-one

What if people just [refer to make some counter, or weird. I am truthfully thankfull to have a handful of artists/ songs that make me feel awkward and weird. If everyone popped out very cliche ACDC tunes I would get quite bored.

[deleted]

well, I finally watched it AFTER reading everyone's comments and I was actually expecting something waaay worse....waaaay worse

I actually found it quite refreshing...okay, boring except for that lyrical genius "sny my snooekie cookie"...but compared to the vaaaaaaast amounts of rap videos(never mind teen stars who fling themselves about like the obedient little kids they are) where submissive women eagerly compete for the attention of some "badass" rapper, who I'm sure is no gentleman. This video had the clear message...don't mess with gangsters, they're not nice. Obvious, but still, worth saying.

Bob-Dubery

MIKA the better one wrote:
Vic wrote:
X-rated Bob wrote:
Hammeron wrote:
Rubbish.
None of the examples you give come remotely close to portraying the pornographic tendencies of
Die antwoord.
I don't want to continue flogging the horse but let me repeat my main point here: the art and the performance do not necessarily reflect the life and values of the artist.

Other than that, there's plenty of murder, devils, deviance, gratuitous sex and violence in rock music, so whilst I don't particularly like Die Antwoord I'm careful about getting too Tipper Gore about them.
Die Antwoord is NOT rock music....please !
Its more rock n roll than most "rock n roll" out there

I don't want to get into the argument about whether Die Antwoord are "rock" or not, and I didn't say that they were. My point is that there is plenty of x-rated content in rock. See here for an example.

I'm not playing the card of it is/isn't rock because I think "rock" has fairly fuzzy, leaky borders, but also because I don't want to go down the road of saying that it's OK for Frank Zappa to sing about sexual deviance because that's ROCK or OK for Robert Plant or Leonard Cohen to sing about blow jobs or Mick Jagger to sing about keeping women in their place because that's all ROCK but not ok for Die Antwoord to sing about anything they sing about because it's not rock. Why give rock a special license?

Rock, actually, was originally sexual music. The term "Rock 'n Roll" was slang for a vigorous session of what you do when the lights are out. Early on it was seen as a dangerous, corrupting force that decent folks wanted no part of and would keep their children from.

Ray

Maybe if they got a more rock 'n roll name like Bleeding Spawn or Bile of Man. Fussake! At least you can hear what they're saying.

chris77

If you're clever enough to make money out creating crap and selling the image, you are a pop musician who deserves a lot of credit.

If you're clever enough to make people call the image driven crap you make Art, you are a bloody genius who deserves a statue in the Pop Hall of Fame.

It's like you have this monkey helping you beg at street corners. Some folks might feel it's cute and hand you a couple of coins and the rest will walk by. Then one day you hit upon the idea of teaching it a view tricks, say tap dancing, and Hoo Boy, it's double income bonus time! Well, sometimes. Mostly the monkey can't be bothered to perform on cue and will instead sit around scratching his arse when people walk by. Every time that happens though a lot of people will stop and laugh and say: Hey Look, That Monkey is Scratching His Arse, Ha-Ha. So you think Hmmmm..... and buy some itching powder to sprinkle on his pink butt. Now folks are queing up to watch the monkey scratch his butt whilst wailing like a loon. Tripple Income Bonus Time! One day a kid who can't really see what's happening mistakes his antics for something else and yells: Wow! The monkey is pleasuring himself!! - and another little lightbulb goes on inside your head. Teach the monkey to do that and you''ll be well away.... Then on a bright sunny afternoon, surrounded by flashing cameras, Maurice - The Masturbating, Butt Scratching, Feces Eating Wonder (tm) has a heart attack and is finally released from his hell.

Bummer.

But wait. His death even makes the papers and now the money really rolls in with people willing to buy his story. There is even talk of a movie.... So wow, you think, If ONE monkey can earn me that much, how much more won't I make if have ten monkey masturbate themselves to death! And filming It! Damn, it's a goldmine!

If you're willing to sink that low.

Shocking people for money. Classy, really classy.

deefstes

Really? Are we actually going to dedicate another dozen pages to discussing whether Die Antwoord is good or bad, whether it's rock or rap... or just plain crap? Haven't we done this already? Multiple times? Can't we just accept that Godwin's Law has come into effect and we can now consider the issue dealt with?

Vic wrote:Zappa ? Die Antwoord...? Comparing these is like saying Hitler was a nice guy compared to Nero :-[

Just sayin ?
Oh, and in case anyone wonders what the final conclusion is now that the issue has been dealt with... die Antwoord is crap

Hammeron

deefstes wrote: Really? Are we actually going to dedicate another dozen pages to discussing whether Die Antwoord is good or bad, whether it's rock or rap... or just plain crap? Haven't we done this already? Multiple times? Can't we just accept that Godwin's Law has come into effect and we can now consider the issue dealt with?
Vic wrote:Zappa ? Die Antwoord...? Comparing these is like saying Hitler was a nice guy compared to Nero :-[
Just sayin ?
Oh, and in case anyone wonders what the final conclusion is now that the issue has been dealt with... die Antwoord is crap

Yea...missed that one. Vic invoked Godwins Law.{I think I did it earlier on in the same thread which should have, according to said law, obliterated it! {The thread that is :?}}

vic

Hammeron wrote:
deefstes wrote: Really? Are we actually going to dedicate another dozen pages to discussing whether Die Antwoord is good or bad, whether it's rock or rap... or just plain crap? Haven't we done this already? Multiple times? Can't we just accept that Godwin's Law has come into effect and we can now consider the issue dealt with?
Vic wrote:Zappa ? Die Antwoord...? Comparing these is like saying Hitler was a nice guy compared to Nero :-[
Just sayin ?
Oh, and in case anyone wonders what the final conclusion is now that the issue has been dealt with... die Antwoord is crap
Yea...missed that one. Vic invoked Godwins Law.{I think I did it earlier on in the same thread which should have, according to said law, obliterated it! {The thread that is :?}}

I really hope it's a good thing ..... Sorry for spoiling the "fun" ?

Bob-Dubery

Hammeron wrote:
deefstes wrote: Really? Are we actually going to dedicate another dozen pages to discussing whether Die Antwoord is good or bad, whether it's rock or rap... or just plain crap? Haven't we done this already? Multiple times? Can't we just accept that Godwin's Law has come into effect and we can now consider the issue dealt with?
Vic wrote:Zappa ? Die Antwoord...? Comparing these is like saying Hitler was a nice guy compared to Nero :-[
Just sayin ?
Oh, and in case anyone wonders what the final conclusion is now that the issue has been dealt with... die Antwoord is crap
Yea...missed that one. Vic invoked Godwins Law.{I think I did it earlier on in the same thread which should have, according to said law, obliterated it! {The thread that is :?}}

Godwin's law just refers to the inevitability of Hitler being mentioned - and that's all. Godwin himself was aware of the potential for misuse if there's a law that says that a mention of Hitler ends a discussion: Anybody having painted themselves into a corner just has to mention Hitler. Anybody wanting to suppress a particular debate just has to mention Hitler.

Not saying that anybody here is in either of those positions.

deefstes

X-rated Bob wrote:
Hammeron wrote:
deefstes wrote: Really? Are we actually going to dedicate another dozen pages to discussing whether Die Antwoord is good or bad, whether it's rock or rap... or just plain crap? Haven't we done this already? Multiple times? Can't we just accept that Godwin's Law has come into effect and we can now consider the issue dealt with?
Vic wrote:Zappa ? Die Antwoord...? Comparing these is like saying Hitler was a nice guy compared to Nero :-[
Just sayin ?
Oh, and in case anyone wonders what the final conclusion is now that the issue has been dealt with... die Antwoord is crap
Yea...missed that one. Vic invoked Godwins Law.{I think I did it earlier on in the same thread which should have, according to said law, obliterated it! {The thread that is :?}}
Godwin's law just refers to the inevitability of Hitler being mentioned - and that's all.

Aah, but one should not not overlook the complexities and intricacies of the various corollaries that exist to augment Godwin's Law, some of which have been accepted as canonical by Mike Godwin himself.

X-rated Bob wrote:Godwin himself was aware of the potential for misuse if there's a law that says that a mention of Hitler ends a discussion: Anybody having painted themselves into a corner just has to mention Hitler.

Which is why the corollary has been formulated that, not only is the debate over, but also will that member have lost the argument automatically.

X-rated Bob wrote:Anybody wanting to suppress a particular debate just has to mention Hitler.

This is elegantly covered by Quirk's Exception:
Intentional invocation of Godwin's Law is ineffectual.

I'm not kidding, these things are very real. Google it if you wish, or follow this link to a USENET e-mail by the hon. Godwin himself.

Warren

singemonkey

People are so selective when finding reasons why "today's" music is so artistically and morally bankrupt while yesteryear's music was not. Actually, the same reasons that their parents used.

The Rolling Stones did "Cocksucker Blues," and "Stray Cat Blues" ("Well I can see that you're just 15 years old. But I don't want your ID.") at the height of their artistic genius. The Beatles did, "Why don't we do it in the road?" Zappa did "Mudshark." But of course that was all brilliant. This, on the other hand will corrupt the youth for evr an evr an evr. And it's rubbish. When they said the Stones and the Beatles were rubbish, that was just because they were old fuddy-duddies. Now that we're the same age, we know that today's music is really rubbish by a whole set of completely objective standards. :?

This is what it looks like from the other side of the mirror folks. The younger ones here would have been burning Beatles records back in '65.

Chabenda

singemonkey wrote: People are so selective when finding reasons why "today's" music is so artistically and morally bankrupt while yesteryear's music was not. Actually, the same reasons that their parents used.

The Rolling Stones did "Cocksucker Blues," and "Stray Cat Blues" ("Well I can see that you're just 15 years old. But I don't want your ID.") at the height of their artistic genius. The Beatles did, "Why don't we do it in the road?" Zappa did "Mudshark." But of course that was all brilliant. This, on the other hand will corrupt the youth for evr an evr an evr. And it's rubbish. When they said the Stones and the Beatles were rubbish, that was just because they were old fuddy-duddies. Now that we're the same age, we know that today's music is really rubbish by a whole set of completely objective standards. :?

This is what it looks like from the other side of the mirror folks. The younger ones here would have been burning Beatles records back in '65.

I believe that this song was a bit of a leg pull after the Stones were fined for urinating in public.

I don't think that you had to do too much in the 'old days' to be considered unfit for human consumption. You can find the most revolting and disgusting stuff that you want on the internet these days. That doesn't necessarily make it popular though. Die Antwoord seem to be able to market their particular form of art in a manner balanced enough to make it both popular and abhorred - and that appears to be the key to success for them. I don't think that they are that musical but they certainly know something about marketing.

MIKA-the-better-one

singemonkey wrote: People are so selective when finding reasons why "today's" music is so artistically and morally bankrupt while yesteryear's music was not. Actually, the same reasons that their parents used.

The Rolling Stones did "Cocksucker Blues," and "Stray Cat Blues" ("Well I can see that you're just 15 years old. But I don't want your ID.") at the height of their artistic genius. The Beatles did, "Why don't we do it in the road?" Zappa did "Mudshark." But of course that was all brilliant. This, on the other hand will corrupt the youth for evr an evr an evr. And it's rubbish. When they said the Stones and the Beatles were rubbish, that was just because they were old fuddy-duddies. Now that we're the same age, we know that today's music is really rubbish by a whole set of completely objective standards. :?

This is what it looks like from the other side of the mirror folks. The younger ones here would have been burning Beatles records back in '65.

I like this guy, his says everything just right!!!

Arno-West

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