blues_addict
I've spoken to someone that knows the software developer for the toll gates. You don't need to register, it's just cheaper if you do. If you don't you will still be charged, and a little more that e-tag rates. The toll gate has software to recognise and capture your number plate, front and back, regardless of speed and following distance.
I say wait and see if implementation kicks off, it's been delayed so many times already and my predictions are the taxi's will burn them down anyway?
Bob-Dubery
IceCreamMan wrote:
Without this denigrating into a snarling policial mess which is not the intention of the post, has anyone registered thus far and what if one never registers.
What are you ppl doing about this.
Me, i aint registered , i have no intention of registering as i do not use the highways much and happy to pay my account that then send me on a monthly basis should i use the highways. (can i do this?)
Well nothing is official yet, but the intention is that you can do things in this way, though you will get charged at a higher per Km rate than the guys who bought an e-tag.
I don't ride the ring road much, so I'm not registering.
Also I see big holes in what they're proposing. What if I don't have GP plates? What if I have NO plates? What if I say "some other oke stole my plates and is riding around with them"?
The latter scenario has played out several times in the UK where they do a lot of camera trapping and track vehicles along main roads by camera. Sometimes it was excuse making, but in some cases it was proven to be the truth.
deefstes
X-rated Bob wrote:What if I say "some other oke stole my plates and is riding around with them"?
What is your registration number Bob? I'm looking at makign me some fake plates and it looks like you've got the excuse already planned. We could make a great team ?
RobbieZ
I drive to Rosebank once, sometimes two times a week. I will be regestering atthe end of January.
Norman86
I wont do this anytime soon hey! Not until they sort all their crap out!!!
Ray
They're charging me again for what I have payed for alre3ady more than once. So, they're just going to have to struggle to get the money. They will send me a bill, I will say gee I dont believe I was there and they will need to produce the evidence and then I'll say sorry, my mistake. I could travel the R21 everyday but I specifically choose to go the back roads. But there are times that I travel the tolled freeways and then I dont know, we'll see. I work for the company that developed the system so I'm actually hoping they can swing something for us. But I dont think so.
Bob-Dubery
Ray wrote:
They're charging me again for what I have payed for alre3ady more than once. So, they're just going to have to struggle to get the money. They will send me a bill, I will say gee I dont believe I was there and they will need to produce the evidence and then I'll say sorry, my mistake. I could travel the R21 everyday but I specifically choose to go the back roads. But there are times that I travel the tolled freeways and then I dont know, we'll see. I work for the company that developed the system so I'm actually hoping they can swing something for us. But I dont think so.
But there'll be a little back door in the system somewhere. Developers always leave one in.
Something like changing lanes with your flashers going, tinfoil wrapped around your e-tag, blue-tooth enabled on your blackberry, a picture of Nomvula Mokonyane (passport size, left profile) placed immediately above the letters "GP", Steve Stofsuier's 1997 album in the stereo and you have to wear a Jeremy Clarkson mask.
deefstes
X-rated Bob wrote:
But there'll be a little back door in the system somewhere. Developers always leave one in.
Something like changing lanes with your flashers going, tinfoil wrapped around your e-tag, blue-tooth enabled on your blackberry, a picture of Nomvula Mokonyane (passport size, left profile) placed immediately above the letters "GP", Steve Stofsuier's 1997 album in the stereo and you have to wear a Jeremy Clarkson mask.
You had me going for a while here, until you got to the Jeremy Clarkson mask and I realised I'd rather pay the toll. ?
flatfourfan
won't register and won't use the highway............if they can't get water and electricity billing right, how are they going to get this right???
Plus by not registering you make more work for them.....................
IceCreamMan
Gauteng tolls cut from 66c to 33c. Monthly cap of R550.
PRETORIA – Opponents to the e-tolling of Gauteng’s roads, who were hoping that minister Pravin Gordhan will have good news for them today, will be bitterly disappointed.
Gordhan did have some news on the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP) in his budget speech, but it is not that the fuel levy would rather be used to pay for the R20bn racked up in debt to improve the 185km of the road network that has been widened, upgraded, resurfaced and rebuilt in the last couple of years since 2007. In a joint statement by the minister of transport S’bu Ndebele and minister of finance Pravin Gordhan it was also made public that the tolling will start on the 30th of April 2012.
Although the fuel levy was increased by 20c/l, none of this is earmarked to cover the costs of these upgrades.
Gordhan did bring some good news for the South African National Roads Agency (Sanral) who was worried that the postponement of the implementation of e-tolling will cause their credit rating serious damage, by stating that a special appropriation of R5.8bn will be made available. This will be included in the 2011/12 expenditure to bring down the total R20bn in debt.
“This will reduce the debt to be repaid through the toll system, and will make a steeper discount possible for regular road users,” Gordhan said.
In the joint statement by the minister of transport S’bu Ndebele and minister of finance Pravin Gordhan more detail was announced.
The statement indicated that the special appropriation by government will ensure that tariffs are reduced for vehicles with e-tags to 30c per km for light vehicles, 20c per km for motorcycles, 75c for non-articulated trucks and R1.51 for articulated trucks.
A frequent-user cap of R550 per month for light vehicles and motorcycles, as well as a time-of-day saving of 20% for heavy vehicles, will be introduced, the statement reads.
In the Budget Review Treasury clearly shows their preference for tolling, stating that tolling enables Sanral to construct and maintain a strategic national highway network to standards that “cannot be afforded across the entire road system”.
“Road users benefit through lower vehicle operating costs, improved road safety and time savings. Tolls also contribute, over time to reducing congestion on major routes,” the Review reads.
Treasury also reiterated that taxis and other public transport operators will be exempt.
“However, the impact of introducing toll fees in a metropolitan environment has raised affordability concerns. To allow for lower tariffs on the Gauteng Freeway network and steeper discounts for regular road-users, a special appropriation of R5.75bn is proposed in the 2011/12 financial year,” the Review reads.
The debt of Sanral will increase to R59bn and to ensure sustainability, the minister of transport will table the necessary legislation to provide Sanral with enforcement powers for tolling, the joint statement reads.
Treasury also announced that to ensure sustainability, attention will be given to alternative routes that can support mobility, with more focus on maintenance of the entire network. Continued investment in rapid public transport networks in metropolitan areas will also aim to attract more users to scheduled, safe and affordable services.
Further infrastructure spending by Sanral was also announced. The Budget Review indicated that Sanral will spend R25bn on new roads and infrastructure, and R18bn on maintenance.
The Road Freight Association indicated last week that they were hoping the Gordhan would use the budget speech to indicate that e-tolling will be scrapped in favour of using the administratively cheaper fuel levy to pay for the GFIP. It told Moneyweb that they will consider legal action if this is not the case.
IceCreamMan
This toll road saga is turning into a farce...apparently SANRAL now wants to force everyone to get e-tags. mmmm
end of april we start paying on this as i believe.
Nitebob
@blues_addict...taxi's will not burn them down. A reliable source at the TMPD told me that the licence plate recognition software will recognise vehicles as being taxi's and they will not be charged...this is kept on the down low...
I'll have to get em...I don't know any alternative routes to get to either Centurion or Johannesburg.
costafonix
if everyone paid equally (INCLUDING TAXI's) i'd consider registering, but this whole system sucks and as usual they want to hit the soft targets as they're too scared to tackle the taxi industry.
deefstes
Nitebob wrote:A reliable source at the TMPD told me that the licence plate recognition software will recognise vehicles as being taxi's and they will not be charged...this is kept on the down low...
There's nothing down or low about that information. It has been widely publicised by SANRAL that public transport (like taxis) will not be paying for the toll. However stupid the toll idea might be, I do agree that public transport vehicles should not be paying toll.
Nitebob
Without opening a can of worms, I don't think any of us should be paying it. Tolling, in my small mind, is a sign of government not being able to maintain something that we are paying tax for them to maintain. Where will it end? Us paying toll to get into our own streets? People are left with no option but to use our notoriously unreliable public transport.
But I'll get off my soapbox now.
aubs1
IceCreamMan wrote:
Gauteng tolls cut from 66c to 33c. Monthly cap of R550.
They do what they were doing with the petrol increases, a week before increase date they say fuel will increase by (let's say) 60c, then a day or two before, they announce an increase of 30c, and everyone sighs a sigh of relief ........ ?
Same phycho here ....... they always knew this and were hoping people bite ....... i will not register, and let's see what happens!
CostaFonix wrote:
if everyone paid equally (INCLUDING TAXI's) i'd consider registering, but this whole system sucks and as usual they want to hit the soft targets as they're too scared to tackle the taxi industry.
+1 Costa ....... they are shit scared of Santaco!! So we don't need to even consider it, since they already made their stance clear ......
flatfourfan
hmmm, I heard about this yesterday, still won't get one though.
Zulublues
Hey Costa I'm with you. The way I see it is that Public Transport is municipally run bus etc. that is partially funded by our taxes. Minibus taxis are a private enterprise much as a transport company. They should pay the toll fees as part of their operating costs. Will the transport companies, metered taxis, limo services recieve exemption?? Hell no !
If the private sector has to pay then it must be the entire private sector. One wonders who has a "dog in the fight" with this one, or do I really need to ask?
