IceCreamMan
Norman86 wrote
IceCreamMan wroteeveryone these days has access to make music of some kind and thats awesome
Im not sure its always good though... rebecca black, that other afrikaans flerrie who followed in her footsteps... that other guy who i was so appalled with .... ugh!
Not always awesome ICM ? lol
the music itself might not be , but the access that everyone has is indeed so.
ja, some of its crud , i bet the okes were saying the same thing around about 1955 about the new fangled stuff too..... 8)
costafonix
I'm sure our great-grandkids will be saying "can you play LMFAO's Bodyrocking?"
and the reply will be "Ja, which version?? I know v3.2.0.0.1 release 3 Hotfix 5........."
:roflmao:
Squonk
Isn't this all relative to one's understanding and appreciation of music?
My daughter loves pop music that's on the radio, and she does it with the same passion that I have for my music tastes.
A rather silly sketch to try and put my point across -
Coffee - All my parents bought was Frisco, I though it was the stuff, Went to work and they had Riccoffy, once I tasted this, Frisco was a bit plastic.
Got married and tried out Nescafe, then Jacobs and then Douwe & Egbert etc etc. I got a little more sophisticated with each new brand.
Some people skip Frisco and go straight to some imported Ethiopian Coffee , but some people enjoy Frisco, you cant tell them that it's horrible! It's what they choose.
I still don't understand why it makes you so angry that people like Lady Gaga and Kurt Darren etc. Surely it doesn't have any effect on you?
Warren
You okes are funny ?
All I can say is: I'm glad nobody else gets to decide for me what is or isn't "real music" (whatever that is). Viva la freedom of choice...
Warren
Squonk wrote
Isn't this all relative to one's understanding and appreciation of music?
My daughter loves pop music that's on the radio, and she does it with the same passion that I have for my music tastes.
A rather silly sketch to try and put my point across -
Coffee - All my parents bought was Frisco, I though it was the stuff, Went to work and they had Riccoffy, once I tasted this, Frisco was a bit plastic.
Got married and tried out Nescafe, then Jacobs and then Douwe & Egbert etc etc. I got a little more sophisticated with each new brand.
Some people skip Frisco and go straight to some imported Ethiopian Coffee , but some people enjoy Frisco, you cant tell them that it's horrible! It's what they choose.
I still don't understand why it makes you so angry that people like Lady Gaga and Kurt Darren etc. Surely it doesn't have any effect on you?
+1
Also, what's wrong with changing your mind? With growing your tastes? I started out listening to stuff by Bobby Brown and Kris Kross, when I was a kid my folks were listening to Wham!...compared to the stuff I like now the old stuff seems all tepid and shallow, but at the time it was the shiz.
AlanRatcliffe
I have to laugh too. You guys realise this means you're getting old? ?
I've been around long enough to know that the mainstream music on the radio will almost always be drivel with a few interesting bits of good stuff in between. The really good stuff is almost always an undercurrent, slow and steady, but strong and with staying power.
It's easy to look back to any decade and think that it was golden compared to the current dreck, but you have to realise that there was other poppier stuff at the same time that was commanding the airwaves (e.g. bubblegum in the '60s or disco in the '70s) and the stuff we think of now as the classic "golden" stuff was all but drowned out at the time. Fortunately, thanks to the staying power of the good stuff, when we wax nostalgic, all we can remember is the good stuff.
In ten years or so, you'll be amazed by your kids looking back at this decade and saying it had the last good music. ?
costafonix
on the one hand I think its an alliance to the 'true musician', meaning the one that plays the instrument and not the computer,,,
and on the other I think its that gap that always existed between Rock music and anything else,,,
as in Rock vs. Disco
and Rock vs. techno
and Rock vs. rap etc.
there's definitely some great music out there,,
sadly a lot of it is dominated by the commercialisation of music we hear on the local radio stations too often (if I hear friggin' "CALL ME MAYBE" ONE MORE TIME >☹ >☹ ?)
but you're right Alan,, it may be a reminder that we are getting 'older',,,,
Psean
ShreddySmurf wrote
+1
Also, what's wrong with changing your mind? With growing your tastes?
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Banditman
I wonder, symbol.
Go back to the early Fifties and parents were mocking lyrics like , "Be-bop-a-lula she's my bay-be" saying it wasn't a patch on Sinatra. Music styles and instruments made a radical change from everything that'd gone before.
It's inevitable that technology will have an influence - you can chart it within the decades we all admire or are inspired by. Look at the evolution in rock from the gear and styles of the Fifties into the Sixties; into the Seventies and the start of hard rock and metal (it's just a noise, unlike Chicago/Boston/The Eagles), into the Eighties and guys like Eddie Van Halen, through to the Nineties and today.
And yet the good stuff has stayed there while the rubbish has filtered away, just as Alan said. What most of us think of as the music of the Fifties to Seventies is just scratching the surface good stuff. Go to any kind of reunion/revival gig or hangout and you'd be nauseated by the chart filler trash.
I think the bigger issue behind kids not getting to see really notable block-busting game changers and innovators is because there's just so much out there today. We're being drowned in a flood of here-today gone-tomorrows thanks to the America's Got Pop Idol Stars In Their Talent franchise shows. And that's before we get to the good musos and bands. The standards are possibly higher - meaning more, good musicians, but the numbers are definitely greater.
To make things more confusing or muddled, you don't have one or two stations to listen to if you want to hear music. We've got local stations, national broadcasters, MTV et al, podcasts, online radio stations......
Finding the talented needles gets harder when you multiply the size of the haystack.
costafonix
Banditman wrote
Finding the talented needles gets harder when you multiply the size of the haystack.
here's a couple of talented needles,,,, ?
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Bob-Dubery
For me the big differences between "then" and now are technological. When Elvis was launching his career the medium was vinyl discs, pressed from a master copy that was cut on a lathe. You had to have enough appeal that somebody who had access to the necessary equipment was going to be moved to record you, press discs, distribute them to record stations and so on.
These days it's much easier. Audo and video editing tools - good enough to get you on to facebook - are plentiful. So it's easier to by pass the system and all it's channels and expenses and put something out there.
There are success stories. Justin Bieber for one (yes! I know. But I'm not talking taste here, just success - and he is successful). Or, as I've related on GFSA before, there was Kate Walsh in the UK who ended up with no contract (artistic differences with the label that signed her) and a miniscule budget, who recorded in her friend's front room (the album was called "Tim's Room") and who became a big hit on iTunes which translated into physical CD sales, gigs etc.
As long as one or two people make it, many others will dream the dream. That's not new (and there have always been musicians who have at least one eye on the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow). The technology and the ease of access to it is an enabler.
deefstes
CostaFonix wrote
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Sucks to be the little blond girl introvert who has no talent but happens to be friends with the extrovert with all the talent. ?
costafonix
deefstes wrote
CostaFonix wrote
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Sucks to be the little blond girl introvert who has no talent but happens to be friends with the extrovert with all the talent. ?
:roflmao:
ja shame man,, but the little blond has the moves.
Bob-Dubery
X-rated Bob wrote
For me the big differences between "then" and now are technological. When Elvis was launching his career
Which reminds me of an anecdote that Bill Clinton told. Before he was President, his Billness was governor of Arkansas (old joke: The folks in Arkansas are real happy because there's a couple in the white house named Hill and Billy). One of the favourite sons of Arkansas is Ronnie Hawkins (whose backing band The Hawks eventually hitched their wagon to Dylan's star and became famous as The Band). Back when he was governor, Clinton hosted a dinner party for the notable sons of daughers of Arkansas and ol' Ronnie was on the guest list. Ronnie says to Bill, "there was no difference between me and Elvis other than looks and talent."
