Transpose this chord please?

Norman86

Alrighty...

Capo on 2nd fret, holding a B7 chord.

What is the chord when played without a capo??

C#7?! If so, why doesnt it sound the same to me?
Or what chord should it be??

MikeM

e 4
B 2
G 4
D 3
A 4
E x

Like that?

Notes would be, C# (1), F(Major 3rd), B (Fifth), C#(Tonic), G#(flat 7th) which does make C#7

Norman86

MikeM wrote: e 4
B 2
G 4
D 3
A 4
E x

Like that?

Notes would be, C# (1), F(Major 3rd), B (Fifth), C#(Tonic), G#(flat 7th) which does make C#7

Yes, thats how im holding the B7 with a capo on 2.

but playing a C#7, it doesnt sound the same?

wait, nevermind... i was holding a C7 >☹
Helps to chord properly! :-[

BluJu

Nice to see that people are playing guitar. I was starting to think that all we did here was talk about and look at gear (I do love doing that). ?

Norman86

Okay, i have another one... this one is for real though...

capo on 2, Bm chord...

now it should be a C#m?! this one sounds off?! why??

Jacquesg4j

Norman86 wrote: Okay, i have another one... this one is for real though...

capo on 2, Bm chord...

now it should be a C#m?! this one sounds off?! why??

The capo should not affect you. You are playing:

e 4
b 5
g 6
d 6
a 4
E x

Take the capo off and it will sound the same. No open strings.

Norman86

Jacquesg4j wrote:
Norman86 wrote: Okay, i have another one... this one is for real though...

capo on 2, Bm chord...

now it should be a C#m?! this one sounds off?! why??
The capo should not affect you. You are playing:

e 4
b 5
g 6
d 6
a 4
E x

Take the capo off and it will sound the same. No open strings.

Yeah i get that, but if you were to transpose it up, what should the chord be?

Warren

Norman86 wrote:

Yeah i get that, but if you were to transpose it up, what should the chord be?

If you're holding the notes as Jacques indicated it's C#m. What are you comparing it to, when you're saying it sounds off?

Norman86

Warren wrote:
Norman86 wrote: Yeah i get that, but if you were to transpose it up, what should the chord be?
If you're holding the notes as Jacques indicated it's C#m. What are you comparing it to, when you're saying it sounds off?

Comparing it to an "open" C#m,

e 4
B 2
G x
D 2
A 4
E x

Seems though i was plying the G on 2, making it a C#m aug5 or some such :-\

But alrighty, i'll just keep the C#m as the bar shape... it should work!

For interests sake, its for Roy Orbison's "You got it".

With a capo on 2, you're playing:

G, F, C, G, F, C
G, F, C, D, F
G, Em, Bm, D

G, B7, Em, C - D, G.

So i was trying to play it without the capo, which works, but on the Bm chord transposed, didnt sound right to me...
I'll try it tonight with the Bm in the same place to see if it sounds right!

A G D A G D
A G D E G
A F#m C#m E

A C#7 F#m D - E A

But the E and A at the end of the chorus doesnt sound to good to my ears either.
oh well... easy enough with the capo!

Cheers.

Warren

Norman86 wrote:
Comparing it to an "open" C#m,

e 4
B 2
G x
D 2
A 4
E x

Seems though i was plying the G on 2, making it a C#m aug5 or some such :-\

But alrighty, i'll just keep the C#m as the bar shape... it should work!

For interests sake, its for Roy Orbison's "You got it".

With a capo on 2, you're playing:

G, F, C, G, F, C
G, F, C, D, F
G, Em, Bm, D

G, B7, Em, C - D, G.

So i was trying to play it without the capo, which works, but on the Bm chord transposed, didnt sound right to me...
I'll try it tonight with the Bm in the same place to see if it sounds right!

A G D A G D
A G D E G
A F#m C#m E

A C#7 F#m D - E A

But the E and A at the end of the chorus doesnt sound to good to my ears either.
oh well... easy enough with the capo!

Cheers.

That open shape looks a bit unfriendly, but if you play exactly those notes (C#, E, G#) as you specified it is the same chord. You can let the low E ring out, but not the G string (unless you can somehow get a finger onto the first fret for the G#). I'd barre it, easier to play anyway.

Of the progressions you've quoted, which is the original one? Without the capo?

Norman86

Capo progression, which sounds perfect and can playalong to the song no problem is:

With a capo on 2, you're playing:

G, F, C, G, F, C
G, F, C, D, F
G, Em, Bm, D

G, B7, Em, C - D, G.

Trying to transpose the progression, i assumed it would sound the same playing:

A G D A G D
A G D E G
A F#m C#m E

A C#7 F#m D - E A

But it isnt really the same?! Im sure Roy isnt using a capo when he plays... will check a video or 2 and try see what he's playing!

Jacquesg4j

Seems like the song is in the key of E since F#m. So I would suppose he does play an open C#m in this shape:

e 0
b 0
g 6
d 6
a 4
E x

I think it's called a C#m2 ... I'm probably wrong!

AND I would suppose he also plays an open F#m like:

e 0
b 0
g 2
d 4
a 4
E x

Warren

Well, the chords all look right. Looks to me more like the song is in D because of the F# and C# chords, and the fact that A, G and D are a V IV I progression in D. Regardless, the chords look right based upon the capo chords you listed so not sure where the issue is. Do you only have a problem with the C#7 chord and the way it sounds?

Norman86

Warren wrote: Well, the chords all look right. Looks to me more like the song is in D because of the F# and C# chords, and the fact that A, G and D are a V IV I progression in D. Regardless, the chords look right based upon the capo chords you listed so not sure where the issue is. Do you only have a problem with the C#7 chord and the way it sounds?

C#m ? not c#7, got that one sorted!
But playing the "open" version doesnt sound right, where the capo version does sound right!
the E, A at the end of the chorus seems wrong too?!

the dudud, dudud and then the open A beginning the verse doesnt gel for me.

Someone please try this and tell me im imagining it?
Both the capo version, with the song, and the open version with the song?!

Warren

Jacquesg4j wrote: Seems like the song is in the key of E since F#m. So I would suppose he does play an open C#m in this shape:

e 0
b 0
g 6
d 6
a 4
E x

I think it's called a C#m2 ... I'm probably wrong!

That fingering would give you:

C#, E, G#, B - which is a C#m7

AND I would suppose he also plays an open F#m like:

e 0
b 0
g 0
d 4
a 4
E x

That would give you a five note chord: C# and F#, but also G, B and E.

The notes of the F#m triad are F#, A and C#.

You could change your fingering to:

e 2
b 2
g 2
d 4
a 4
E x

for the C#m chord, but then of course it's not an "open" chord. Closest to an "open" fingering I can think of is:

e 2
b 2
g 2
d x
a 0
E 2

Norman86

Thanks so far guys ?

While we're on this...
where can i find the whole thing about I IV V's and such for each key?!

I have a chord chart that im busy with showing the principle chords, relative minors and then the alternative chords for each key (except C#, Gb and Cb)

Warren

Norman86 wrote:
C#m ? not c#7, got that one sorted!
But playing the "open" version doesnt sound right, where the capo version does sound right!
the E, A at the end of the chorus seems wrong too?!

the dudud, dudud and then the open A beginning the verse doesnt gel for me.

Someone please try this and tell me im imagining it?
Both the capo version, with the song, and the open version with the song?!

I'll give it a bash at home and see if I can hear what you're hearing ?

Norman86

Warren wrote:
Norman86 wrote:
C#m ? not c#7, got that one sorted!
But playing the "open" version doesnt sound right, where the capo version does sound right!
the E, A at the end of the chorus seems wrong too?!

the dudud, dudud and then the open A beginning the verse doesnt gel for me.

Someone please try this and tell me im imagining it?
Both the capo version, with the song, and the open version with the song?!
I'll give it a bash at home and see if I can hear what you're hearing ?

Thanks Warren!

deefstes

Jacquesg4j wrote: Seems like the song is in the key of E since F#m. So I would suppose he does play an open C#m in this shape:

e 0
b 0
g 6
d 6
a 4
E x

I think it's called a C#m2 ... I'm probably wrong!

Isn't that just a fairly straight forward C#m7?
C# = Root (strings 5 and 3)
E = Minor 3rd (string 1)
Ab = 5th (string 4)
B = Minor 7th (string 2)

Warren

deefstes wrote:
Isn't that just a fairly straight forward C#m7?
C# = Root (strings 5 and 3)
E = Minor 3rd (string 1)
Ab = 5th (string 4)
B = Minor 7th (string 2)

Yes, I quoted the same earlier on.