Please explain to me how...

Reinhard

... you can power all these effects with one Pedal power 2? Doesn't it only have 8 outputs? Do some of the higer rated outputs power more pedals?

MIKA-the-better-one

Daisy chain..... That would be my bet..... other than that it has to be working the pp2 damn hard

nick

Daisy chain splitting one output in to two, also you need to keep in mind not all the effects are being used simultaneously which means the power draw from the Pedal Power should be minimal. Provided he doesnt turn them all on that is ?

arjunmenon

Daisy chain. From what i understand, you can run all the lower-draw (totalling somewhere near 500 mA) from a single output.
The reason for many outlets IMO is for pedals that draw more power.

MikeM

nick wrote Daisy chain splitting one output in to two, also you need to keep in mind not all the effects are being used simultaneously which means the power draw from the Pedal Power should be minimal. Provided he doesnt turn them all on that is ?

I'm pretty sure that most pedals turn on once they're plugged in. The switch usually only switches the signal path..

kayDUB

+1 to daisy chain.
Also the volume pedal is passive I think and boss tuner also has a power out/thru which looks like its being used.

12 pedals in total (excl pog - which I would think is using a seperate supply since its off the board and I don't see a cable from the PP).
My guess is the only real high current pedals there are the POG and the wammy.

arjunmenon

kayDUB wrote +1 to daisy chain.
Also the volume pedal is passive I think and boss tuner also has a power out/thru which looks like its being used.

12 pedals in total (excl pog - which I would think is using a seperate supply since its off the board and I don't see a cable from the PP).
My guess is the only real high current pedals there are the POG and the wammy.

Doesn't the Deja vibe need more juice?

kayDUB

I just took a guess, was too lazy to google. ?
Checked now, it needs around 100mA it seems.

MIKA-the-better-one

Also note the HOG is powerdd from the pp2..... the back outlet has its adaptor plugged in... one of the cool features of the pp2

Johnny-B

I'm running 9 pedals on my board from a single Boss PSA-230P power supply rated at 200mA. All the pedals are daisy chained either serial or parallel from the power link output of the Boss TU-2 tuner.
Solid-state analogue overdrive pedals draw very little current and most solid-state analogue pedals draw less than 10mA each. My compressor, 808, RAT, Timmy, chorus and phaser all draw less than 10mA each. It's the digital pedals that draw relatively big current. The Boss TU-2 is rated at 55mA, my reverb which uses a Belton brick, at 30mA and Boss DD-5 is rated at 55mA.
In total all nine pedals draw about 180 to 190mA which is within the rating of the Boss power supply.
I think that there is alot of hype around power supplies on pedal boards. Provided you have a regulated supply with sufficient current rating you shouldn't have problems. The only advantage of running power supplies with mutiple isolated outputs is that you are less prone to earth loops, but I personally have never had problems with earth loops on my pedalboard.

Jacquesg4j

I've also never had any probs with daisy chains. I do prefer using a separate supply on my digital stuff (the dd20). I've A-B'd it extensively and believe it or not, it affects the sound on my overdrives if I use the same power line from digital delay to overdrive. Also if you do use one supply on everything, do put your digital stuff on the first sockets closest to the power supply.

MIKA-the-better-one

I noticed a massive differance in tone fot he better when I changed to a PP2 from my older cheaper pedal power.

Overdrives sound sweeter as well as delays, and I really have no super power hungry pedals....

Good power is the best investment for a board ?

Johnny-B

MIKA the better one wrote I noticed a massive differance in tone fot he better when I changed to a PP2 from my older cheaper pedal power.

Overdrives sound sweeter as well as delays, and I really have no super power hungry pedals....

Good power is the best investment for a board ?

Ever noticed how your car seems to go better when you have just washed and polished it! Don't fool yourselves - a 9V regulated supply is a 9V regulated supply. The power supply is not in the audio signal path. There will be no difference in the sound of the pedals unless your benchmark is a supply that is under-rated current wise, or is not properly regulated.
It's the same story with tone caps. It's the value of the capacitor that determines the frequency response not the type or age!
After all, who wants to admit that they have spent a fortune on over-priced power supplies and there is no sonic difference.
That should put the cat amongst the pigeons!

AlanRatcliffe

Granted, any properly regulated and smoothed power will be equal as far as the pedal is concerned, but many supplies aren't as well regulated or smoothed as some of the better models. Yes, they will all be a step up from daisy chaining a Boss supply (or similar). However, for some of us, there are other factors that come into play too. Like:

1. Isolation - Individually isolated outputs can prevent earth loop problems from becoming an issue, but are relatively rare (although becoming more common) and add to the price.

2. Current - Sometimes the amount of current on tap is crucial - my TC NovaDrive and my Eventide TimeFactor are both current hungry pigs, drawing at least 350 mA and 400 mA respectively. Very few supplies have one output with enough current, let alone two (or four in the case of the CIOKS TC10).

3. Voltage - While 9V is the norm, a lot of pedals use 12V or 18V and there are some that want 24V or an AC supply too. Not all supplies have taps for these voltages and even fewer have switchable outlets.

4. Protection - When you're toting around a board with well over R10K worth of pedals, it's reassuring to know that when something goes wrong (and any working muso knows it is a case of when not if), that there is less chance of pedals taking the brunt. Some supplies can even continue working even if one output fries.

5. Quality/durability - there can be a big difference between a cheap transformer and an expensive one and toroidal models throw off less EMI. Cheap electrolytics may operate pretty much the same when they are working, but often don't last as long as the better ones. Overspeccing things like smoothing caps can make a supply last a lot longer. Tighter tolerances in all components and better QC make sure that the output voltage and currents are exactly what they are supposed to be.

6. Input voltages - doesn't apply to most of us, but for the big guys touring around the world, a switchable input voltage that works in the US, Europe or Japan is crucial.

MIKA-the-better-one

Johnny B wrote
MIKA the better one wrote I noticed a massive differance in tone fot he better when I changed to a PP2 from my older cheaper pedal power.

Overdrives sound sweeter as well as delays, and I really have no super power hungry pedals....

Good power is the best investment for a board ?
Ever noticed how your car seems to go better when you have just washed and polished it! Don't fool yourselves - a 9V regulated supply is a 9V regulated supply. The power supply is not in the audio signal path. There will be no difference in the sound of the pedals unless your benchmark is a supply that is under-rated current wise, or is not properly regulated.
It's the same story with tone caps. It's the value of the capacitor that determines the frequency response not the type or age!
After all, who wants to admit that they have spent a fortune on over-priced power supplies and there is no sonic difference.
That should put the cat amongst the pigeons!

Hey man I have no problem with you not getting the best out of your pedals..... Or getting nasty ground loops, or unpleasant hum.....
If you like your overdrives to be muffled and inarticulate.. thats fine, if you want your delays to be underpowered thats fine as well,
You can definatly keep using your Boss PSA daisy chained, I really have no issue with it... but when you want some better tone, and you would like a few more dynamics in your tone...... check out a more expensive power supply, like those overpriced ones you mention.

Johnny-B

Hey man I have no problem with you not getting the best out of your pedals..... ...

I'm amazed Mika that you can know what I get out of my pedals, never having heard them! ?

... but when you want some better tone, and you would like a few more dynamics in your tone......

How many dynamics does your tone have? ?
P.S. All the best with the new job. 8)

Alan, you points were factual, accurate and well received.

shadow1

A question which I thought was relevant to this thread:

I have a cioks DC10 (similar to voodoo power 2) and have all the "channels" used to various pedals. Now each "channel" has more than enough power to power multiple stomps, so I have run a boss daist chain from one of them...

My question: Surely running this daisy chain is going to be putting me back to square one, where I ran a daisy chain of a single boss PSU? IF that is the case then why are these powersupplies shipped with so much current ability in each "channel" yet you cant really use it?

nick

shadow1 wrote My question: Surely running this daisy chain is going to be putting me back to square one, where I ran a daisy chain of a single boss PSU? IF that is the case then why are these powersupplies shipped with so much current ability in each "channel" yet you cant really use it?

cater for the most power hungry pedal I assume? And yes if you daisy chain out of a single channel you are basically using a Boss PSA with a daisy chain, its just probably cleaner power and more power.

shadow1

nick wrote
shadow1 wrote My question: Surely running this daisy chain is going to be putting me back to square one, where I ran a daisy chain of a single boss PSU? IF that is the case then why are these powersupplies shipped with so much current ability in each "channel" yet you cant really use it?
cater for the most power hungry pedal I assume? And yes if you daisy chain out of a single channel you are basically using a Boss PSA with a daisy chain, its just probably cleaner power and more power.

Thanks NIC, thought so, just wanted someone to confirm. How are the new pedals?? That Timmy pedal looks very interesting

MIKA-the-better-one

Johnny B wrote
Hey man I have no problem with you not getting the best out of your pedals..... ...
I'm amazed Mika that you can know what I get out of my pedals, never having heard them! ?

... but when you want some better tone, and you would like a few more dynamics in your tone......
How many dynamics does your tone have? ?
P.S. All the best with the new job. 8)

Alan, you points were factual, accurate and well received.

I dont deny you get a good sound... and as mentioned it may sound great... But I have used a boss psa with daisy chain, and upgraded to a carl martin pedal power... with little to no differance.... but with the pedal power I can actually tell you I had a quieter, more dynamic sound for fuzz and overdrive.
Delay and reverb its essential for me otherwise I get alot of hum.....