The Les Pauls of GFSA (rule modification)

singemonkey · 2011-03-16T13:05:47+00:00

We can't let the Strat maniacs have all the fun. Let's see all the Les Pauls. All the ones you've posted before, and the ones you haven't. We're talking all of the single cutaway, mahogany backed guitars with a Gibson Les Paul scale-length. We want to see the Epiphones, the Tokais, the Tanglewoods, the Corts, the Gibsons, the Ibanez. And then say just a little bit about 'em. rule mod: Only post pictures of your specific guitar. No product shots. Even if it's a grim and grainy cell-phone pic, at least we know it's the very same guitar you plunk away on (you need not delete existing product shots, just make sure to post a pic of the actual guitar sometime ? ) Here are mine which you've all seen before: 2009 Tokai LS150 Had this one since the last year. Absolute beauty. My main gigging guitar. Pure quality. Super-comfortable chunky neck. 1983 Gibson Les Paul Deluxe One of the infamous Norlin-era Gibsons. Heavy as about four of Reinhard's LP, and about 12 of Nick's ? but I love it anyway. Did a lot of modding before I was happy with it (mini-hums to P90s, roto-grip tuners, Bigsby B7, bell knobs, etc.). Strung with .11s now. Bit of a slim neck. Crazy low "fretless-wonder" type frets. Just needs a grounding issue sorted out before it's ready to gig. Had this since '95 and it's the possession I run back into the burning house for. Over to you guys.

nick

MoJo JoJoe wrote OK. Time for a "can-o-worms" ?

Here's my PRS SC245. If you're in doubt about how "LP" it is, go do some research about the ACTUAL scale length of vintage Les Pauls. Your research should be interesting and should indicate that 24.5" is closer to accurate vintage scale-length than 24.75" as claimed by Gibson to be the scale length of a Les Paul. Do it ... I double-dare you! ?

That was my favourite of the PRS's I played 8)

kp247

No a GFSA LP but just a mention since there's been some talk here about Peter Frampton. His black beauty is VERY nice!

kp247

MoJo JoJoe wrote OK. Time for a "can-o-worms" ?

Here's my PRS SC245. If you're in doubt about how "LP" it is, go do some research about the ACTUAL scale length of vintage Les Pauls.

Sorry dude, it doesn't matter, I'm sure its a fantastic guitar but it's still not a Gibson Les Paul. That's what this thread is about. :yup:

DonovanB

Not just about Gibsons. Read the OP again...

singemonkey

MoJo JoJoe wrote OK. Time for a "can-o-worms" ?

Here's my PRS SC245. If you're in doubt about how "LP" it is, go do some research about the ACTUAL scale length of vintage Les Pauls. Your research should be interesting and should indicate that 24.5" is closer to accurate vintage scale-length than 24.75" as claimed by Gibson to be the scale length of a Les Paul. Do it ... I double-dare you!

I searched, found nothing, and I call BS. Furthermore, it is the responsibility of those making extraordinary claims to provide evidence for those claims, not those who doubt them to provide counter-evidence. Don't tell me to prove that unicorns aren't real. Give me some evidence that they are.

singemonkey

Donovan Banks wrote Not just about Gibsons. Read the OP again...

kp247 is the resident troll on GFSA. He's just trolling again. You'll notice that even on the page that he's written this response I've told non-gibson owners not to be intimidated. So he knows what he's doing. he always does.

IceCreamMan

Some mighty beuatiful LP's here without a doubt ...... cant wait to get mine in 6 weeks or so ....(epi LP std ebony)

I have always considered LP's classier than strats .strats are kinda like the hot school slut , a whole pile of fun while LP's more the miss priss (this is my warped opinion only)

Squonk

Of all the LP's I have seen , The Gibson ones at least, Black is by far the sexiest 8)

Started off with Aubs's latest addition, but there have been plenty since.

Frampton's LP is good stuff too.

kp247

singemonkey wrote
Donovan Banks wrote Not just about Gibsons. Read the OP again...
kp247 is the resident troll on GFSA. He's just trolling again. You'll notice that even on the page that he's written this response I've told non-gibson owners not to be intimidated. So he knows what he's doing. he always does.

? Speaking for myself - it's just that in the context of the two magical words "Les Paul" I only see one other word which is "Gibson". All else just flows past my eyes without as much as a second glance. ?

rich365

AndreM wrote

A Fine Pair!

Any chance of a better pic of the one at the rear? The sunburst one. Looks like really nice flame.

AlanRatcliffe

singemonkey wrote
MoJo JoJoe wrote If you're in doubt about how "LP" it is, go do some research about the ACTUAL scale length of vintage Les Pauls.
I searched, found nothing, and I call BS.

Gibson has used three different scale lengths and called them all 24.75": 24.562", 24.625", 24.75". IINM the majority of vintage models were actually 24.625". On top of that, there was often a variance from the official scale length due to tooling and luthier errors.

Jack-Flash-Jr

Enjoying the pron despite the fact that I'm not a huge LP fan. Wouldn't mind seeing some SGs but I'll defer to the OP whether that's allowed ?

singemonkey

rich365 wrote Any chance of a better pic of the one at the rear? The sunburst one. Looks like really nice flame.

Where's that Deluxe of yours? ? Plenty of Deluxes on GFSA, but I've only seen one other in pics.

singemonkey

Alan Ratcliffe wrote
singemonkey wrote
MoJo JoJoe wrote If you're in doubt about how "LP" it is, go do some research about the ACTUAL scale length of vintage Les Pauls.
I searched, found nothing, and I call BS.
Gibson has used three different scale lengths and called them all 24.75": 24.562", 24.625", 24.75". IINM the majority of vintage models were actually 24.625". On top of that, there was often a variance from the official scale length due to tooling and luthier errors.

1. 24.625 ain't 24.5

2. If such things arise from variance in measurement technique, it means even less.

But don't some of the PRSs have Gibson scale-length anyway?

MoJo-JoJoe

singemonkey wrote
MoJo JoJoe wrote OK. Time for a "can-o-worms" ?

Here's my PRS SC245. If you're in doubt about how "LP" it is, go do some research about the ACTUAL scale length of vintage Les Pauls. Your research should be interesting and should indicate that 24.5" is closer to accurate vintage scale-length than 24.75" as claimed by Gibson to be the scale length of a Les Paul. Do it ... I double-dare you!
I searched, found nothing, and I call BS. Furthermore, it is the responsibility of those making extraordinary claims to provide evidence for those claims, not those who doubt them to provide counter-evidence. Don't tell me to prove that unicorns aren't real. Give me some evidence that they are.

You ARE kidding, right?

Keira-WitherKay

singemonkey wrote
symbolofmylife wrote Well, here mine. ESP LTD EC256. I did have the pickups changed to EMG-HZ's though, so they are black...also had the other hardware changed to black chrome....the most awesome guitar I've ever owned. Relatively lightweight, but KILLER tone.

This one fits the criteria for my Les Paul thread. Mahogany back, single cutaway, Les Paul scale-length.

cool that this fits the criteria i have the EC100QM and i second what is said above re these guitars , the neck is to die for....... and even the stock pups sound killer and the finish is something else........... however i must admit , myabe cos i play a huge jazz box 175 i find the body is too small for me to sit and play with it resting on my thigh ...... the neck is too low......... so even sitting i must use a strap and i HATE straps i originally bought this guitar to convert into a travel guitar till the wise words from the forum pointed out the difficulties....... but maybe i should think of just having the neck fitted to a bigger body cos the neck on this Ltd is way beyond what one would expect from a guitar at this price range........ if i can say it's a very positive neck .with jumbo frets and flat profile ......

unfortunatly this is a pic of the exact model and colour but not my guitar but it allows you to see the finish ( how they can afford to sell these so cheap i have no idea' cos i can't see where the corners are cut....... and as the above post said the tones are excellent too and i use mine for jazz so they also versatile...... and i would say could be used for metal/rock/blues/jazz . but i love that neck it just feels sooooooo right

singemonkey

MoJo JoJoe wrote You ARE kidding, right?

How do I know this photograph isn't 'shopped? ?

MoJo-JoJoe

singemonkey wrote
Alan Ratcliffe wrote
singemonkey wrote
MoJo JoJoe wrote If you're in doubt about how "LP" it is, go do some research about the ACTUAL scale length of vintage Les Pauls.
I searched, found nothing, and I call BS.
Gibson has used three different scale lengths and called them all 24.75": 24.562", 24.625", 24.75". IINM the majority of vintage models were actually 24.625". On top of that, there was often a variance from the official scale length due to tooling and luthier errors.
1. 24.625 ain't 24.5

Nope, but it sure is closer to 24.5 than 24.75 ?

2. If such things arise from variance in measurement technique, it means even less.

So you only consider the spec-sheet as accurate? Not the actual instrument?

But don't some of the PRSs have Gibson scale-length anyway?

No none are spec'd at 24.75". Most are 25". Some are 24.5" (SC245, Santana, and some limited edition models). Some are 25.25" (513). Some are 25.5" (305).

Anyway I don't want anyone thinking I'm trying to be provocative. I'm really just trying to highlight that there are some variances and that excluding some models but including others in the list was maybe a little judgemental (since PRS and others were specifically excluded - probably because their usual scale length is 25"). PRS SC245 is probably more LP than most. It makes for an interesting topic of discussion and I really wouldn't mind having that discussion over a beer or 3 (I won some tickets to the Brews and Blues fest if anyone wants to hook up and chat on the 26th). [Edit] I just gave the last free ticket away. I'll be the fat shaven-head opinionated GFSA dude who likes to type "." if anyone wants to meet-and-greet on the day. ?

chris77

MjJj - The new PRS singlecuts with the more traditional lp style bridges are beauts hey. Any idea how they sound compared to the wraparound bridge models?

MoJo-JoJoe

chris77 wrote MjJj - The new PRS singlecuts with the more traditional lp style bridges are beauts hey. Any idea how they sound compared to the wraparound bridge models?

Yeah those SC58's look fantastic! I am not aware of any here in SA yet, so I'd just be going on what I've been told. I believe that the difference is more evident in feel (for your picking hand's palm) than anything else. Which I suppose is quite an obvious observation to make. Of course the pickups are different so any tonal comparisons could only be done acoustically ... and you'd have to test a large batch before drawing a definitive conclusion. They DO look yummy though!

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