Orange Tiny Terror II

LouisNeilson

So, I'm currently looking at buying an Orange Terror II Bass amp head (21st present from the folks <3)

I have 2 main issues though, mostly from a lack of knowledge, and was hoping you guys might have some wisdom for me

Firstly, it's a hybrid amp. Valve pre-amp, and a "Class D solid state power amp"
Now, I know that means transistors/not-valves, but I don't know what "Class D" is, and which end of the scale that is, what that implies, etc

The other issue is that the amp's output has speakON sockets, and the old 4x10" cab I got at home only has TRS inputs. How reliable is a cable that is speakON on the one jack, TRS on the other? I Have some really nice speaker cables I could "modify" at home, but I don't wanna do that if I should rather get an adaptor of some sort, or there's some hidden reason I don't know about :3

TA for any info~

IceCreamMan

LouisNeilson wrote: So, I'm currently looking at buying an Orange Terror II Bass amp head (21st present from the folks <3)

I have 2 main issues though, mostly from a lack of knowledge, and was hoping you guys might have some wisdom for me

Firstly, it's a hybrid amp. Valve pre-amp, and a "Class D solid state power amp"
Now, I know that means transistors/not-valves, but I don't know what "Class D" is, and which end of the scale that is, what that implies, etc

The other issue is that the amp's output has speakON sockets, and the old 4x10" cab I got at home only has TRS inputs. How reliable is a cable that is speakON on the one jack, TRS on the other? I Have some really nice speaker cables I could "modify" at home, but I don't wanna do that if I should rather get an adaptor of some sort, or there's some hidden reason I don't know about :3

TA for any info~

I dont know anything bout the internals or the workings of the orange bass amp range but i love my orange and a mate of mine has the orange terror 1 head and it sounds gloriously brilliant.......

u a luckly lad

congratz

Sebber

I'm not a bassist, but the bass player in one of the bands I play in has a Bass Terror head as well as 4x10 and 1x15 Orange bass cabs, it's a killer rig!

I wouldn't worry about the class D solid state power amp, they're more efficient than class A/B and a lot lighter weight than tube power sections.

Jack-Flash-Jr

It's a 500W head right? It is going to KICK you lucky sonofagun. I'm not a 10" fan myself, prefer 15"... I am sure the techies on here can help with getting them to speak to each other though...

Edit: can't find "Tiny" Terror specs, only "Bass Terror" on Orange site, the regular TT will of course not be suitable for bass live...

IceCreamMan

Sebber wrote: I'm not a bassist, but the bass player in one of the bands I play in has a Bass Terror head as well as 4x10 and 1x15 Orange bass cabs, it's a killer rig!

I wouldn't worry about the class D solid state power amp, they're more efficient than class A/B and a lot lighter weight than tube power sections.

Completely off topic and apologies to original poster ,Sebber would it be a sin to name the band?

Sebber

IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote: I'm not a bassist, but the bass player in one of the bands I play in has a Bass Terror head as well as 4x10 and 1x15 Orange bass cabs, it's a killer rig!

I wouldn't worry about the class D solid state power amp, they're more efficient than class A/B and a lot lighter weight than tube power sections.
Completely off topic and apologies to original poster ,Sebber would it be a sin to name the band?

Lol, it would indeed: the band is called Cardinal Sin. We rarely gig, once or twice a year and generally for private functions.

The other band I play in (shameless plug here) is called Not Dead Yet (no, not the Grateful Dead tribute act. No, not those guys either, the OTHER band called Not Dead Yet), we gig pretty regularly in and around Joburg and northern suburbs. The bass player in that band has Mark Bass kit, and a very rare PRS bass, that he very rarely (these days) plays, preferring his MIM Fender Jazz Bass.

Gearhead

Class D, from what I understand of it, basically consists of three stages: the original signal is mixed with a high frequency oscillation, then amplified (which can be done very efficiently because of the high frequency) and finally the original signal is separated from the oscillated one.
The main advantage of the high efficiency is sometimes how much you save on the energy bill (working off of batteries) or that you don't need to drag along all the cooling stuff for high power. The technology is mainly used in microchip amps (phone/tablet/flatscreen), in bass amps and some hifi.

IceCreamMan

Sebber wrote:
IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote: I'm not a bassist, but the bass player in one of the bands I play in has a Bass Terror head as well as 4x10 and 1x15 Orange bass cabs, it's a killer rig!

I wouldn't worry about the class D solid state power amp, they're more efficient than class A/B and a lot lighter weight than tube power sections.
Completely off topic and apologies to original poster ,Sebber would it be a sin to name the band?

Lol, it would indeed: the band is called Cardinal Sin. We rarely gig, once or twice a year and generally for private functions.

The other band I play in (shameless plug here) is called Not Dead Yet (no, not the Grateful Dead tribute act. No, not those guys either, the OTHER band called Not Dead Yet), we gig pretty regularly in and around Joburg and northern suburbs. The bass player in that band has Mark Bass kit, and a very rare PRS bass, that he very rarely (these days) plays, preferring his MIM Fender Jazz Bass.

as big as the internet is ,its kidna small. we really should get that double header at the driving range off the ground

Sebber

IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote:
IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote: I'm not a bassist, but the bass player in one of the bands I play in has a Bass Terror head as well as 4x10 and 1x15 Orange bass cabs, it's a killer rig!

I wouldn't worry about the class D solid state power amp, they're more efficient than class A/B and a lot lighter weight than tube power sections.
Completely off topic and apologies to original poster ,Sebber would it be a sin to name the band?

Lol, it would indeed: the band is called Cardinal Sin. We rarely gig, once or twice a year and generally for private functions.

The other band I play in (shameless plug here) is called Not Dead Yet (no, not the Grateful Dead tribute act. No, not those guys either, the OTHER band called Not Dead Yet), we gig pretty regularly in and around Joburg and northern suburbs. The bass player in that band has Mark Bass kit, and a very rare PRS bass, that he very rarely (these days) plays, preferring his MIM Fender Jazz Bass.
as big as the internet is ,its kidna small. we really should get that double header at the driving range off the ground

You play with Oliver? Yeah we do really need to get that one sorted: we've been making progress as a three-piece since Goetz (our late rhythm guitarist) checked-out last year: we've got band practice tonight so I'll raise it with Marc and Porli and see what the boys' thoughts are.

IceCreamMan

Sebber wrote:
IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote:
IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote: I'm not a bassist, but the bass player in one of the bands I play in has a Bass Terror head as well as 4x10 and 1x15 Orange bass cabs, it's a killer rig!

I wouldn't worry about the class D solid state power amp, they're more efficient than class A/B and a lot lighter weight than tube power sections.
Completely off topic and apologies to original poster ,Sebber would it be a sin to name the band?

Lol, it would indeed: the band is called Cardinal Sin. We rarely gig, once or twice a year and generally for private functions.

The other band I play in (shameless plug here) is called Not Dead Yet (no, not the Grateful Dead tribute act. No, not those guys either, the OTHER band called Not Dead Yet), we gig pretty regularly in and around Joburg and northern suburbs. The bass player in that band has Mark Bass kit, and a very rare PRS bass, that he very rarely (these days) plays, preferring his MIM Fender Jazz Bass.
as big as the internet is ,its kidna small. we really should get that double header at the driving range off the ground
You play with Oliver? Yeah we do really need to get that one sorted: we've been making progress as a three-piece since Goetz (our late rhythm guitarist) checked-out last year: we've got band practice tonight so I'll raise it with Marc and Porli and see what the boys' thoughts are.

sweet ..it is me ....

Sebber

IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote:
IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote:
IceCreamMan wrote:
Sebber wrote: I'm not a bassist, but the bass player in one of the bands I play in has a Bass Terror head as well as 4x10 and 1x15 Orange bass cabs, it's a killer rig!

I wouldn't worry about the class D solid state power amp, they're more efficient than class A/B and a lot lighter weight than tube power sections.
Completely off topic and apologies to original poster ,Sebber would it be a sin to name the band?

Lol, it would indeed: the band is called Cardinal Sin. We rarely gig, once or twice a year and generally for private functions.

The other band I play in (shameless plug here) is called Not Dead Yet (no, not the Grateful Dead tribute act. No, not those guys either, the OTHER band called Not Dead Yet), we gig pretty regularly in and around Joburg and northern suburbs. The bass player in that band has Mark Bass kit, and a very rare PRS bass, that he very rarely (these days) plays, preferring his MIM Fender Jazz Bass.
as big as the internet is ,its kidna small. we really should get that double header at the driving range off the ground
You play with Oliver? Yeah we do really need to get that one sorted: we've been making progress as a three-piece since Goetz (our late rhythm guitarist) checked-out last year: we've got band practice tonight so I'll raise it with Marc and Porli and see what the boys' thoughts are.
sweet ..it is me ....

Awesome! I'll speak to the boys and let you know. Please send my love to the Mrs and the youngster!

TomCat

Class D is basically a switching amp as opposed to a liner amp. The mains is smoothed and then switched by a digital PWM (Pulse Width Modulated) signal representing the incoming audio signal to switch the output MOSFETS. The switched signal then passes through a low-pass filter to remove the switching component and restore the original, but amplified audio signal

Class D has become very popular in large PA amplifiers as it allows for high power in a small chassis as there are no power transformers and the MOSFETS are either fully on or fully off at any point in time so generate little heat and are thus way more efficient than conventional amplifiers.

Crown amplifiers (Alan's Favorite Amps... ?) has a derivative of Class D called Class I. Without getting into the technicalities, Class I offers even more power and efficiency than Class D.

How about 4500w/channel in an amplifier that only weighs about 12kg and draws only 8 amps max.

LouisNeilson

Thanks a lot guys (that were on topic ?)

The specs for the Amp are 500Watt @ 8 ohms OR 4 ohms (you can switch)
Most importantly, it weighs only 4kg and is 14cmx17cmx30cm (mega_portable)

I'm going to the London Bass Show today, so should be able to check out a few other options
But chances are, this will be what I'll get

AlanRatcliffe

TomCat wrote: How about 4500w/channel in an amplifier that only weighs about 12kg and draws only 8 amps max.

Yes please... ? They still have the tight Crown low end? I remember when Peavey came out with a 1200W Class D in one single rackspace. I was very excited... until I heard it.

TomCat

Alan Ratcliffe wrote:
TomCat wrote: How about 4500w/channel in an amplifier that only weighs about 12kg and draws only 8 amps max.
Yes please... ? They still have the tight Crown low end? I remember when Peavey came out with a 1200W Class D in one single rackspace. I was very excited... until I heard it.

It has a damping factor greater than 5000:1 so believe me....that low end is still tight.....just lost more of it.... :dance: