MIKA-the-better-one
I have used ac30's a few times, and I love the sound, and i love the results with them.......
I dont really like full blown crunch just that perfect breakup...... I am not really a muhbuggy sorta guy
I recorded my first album with a ac50 pretty much and got great sounds.
Its the other bands who used humbuckers and singles and just did not know how to setup an amp, They did the same with fender amps, just didnt crank them enough to get good tone, it was brittle
BMU
Aubs, you're a hero. Finally. I've been curious to hear that b*std's music for ages. ? ?
Wow really nice. Quality, quality stuff. Shame on you Arjun, false humility gets you nowhere you know. ?
I can't believe I almost missed this post, by the title I figured it's Mika having some opinionated rant about Ibanez or amp settings or something (oh wait, it is... HAHA)
MIKA-the-better-one
Damn right it is... and its a serious problem
TI-Distribution
What I don't understand is why we always judge others in relation to our opinions.
I mean what makes Mika right in this instance and the other band wrong? If thats how they like their amp setting then so be it.
MIKA-the-better-one
because its a forum, amd we show our opinions. And dude, its not an opinion it was terrible... its a very simple concept to get your head around.... If thats how they wanted there amps to sound, then they are pretty damn bad bad at setting up an amp.
Malkav
MIKA the better one wrote:
because its a forum, amd we show our opinions. And dude, its not an opinion it was terrible... its a very simple concept to get your head around.... If thats how they wanted there amps to sound, then they are pretty damn bad bad at setting up an amp.
I've gotta go with you on this, sometimes there is a right and a wrong way. When it comes to valve amps the right way generally involves more power, it's why most rockstars have tenitis ? To get the best possible tone they work those pre and power amps hard 8)
Gearhead
There's no tinnitus involved in opening up your amp that's being mic'ed up, sitting at the back of a stage 15m away in a large stadium. It's the club artist who has a volume problem. That's why I don't understand the fixation on AC30s and Twins, just one pair of output tubes and one speaker does the job exactly the same way.
MIKA-the-better-one
no doubt smaller amps sound great, yes they do... But for some music, you need that minimum 2 speaker configuration and 40 watts plus to really get your music across.
True some rock bands can rely on smaller amps but there are some which need that Twin to really push the sound around.
I would sometimes rather see a show which completly envelopes me with sound than see a show which is mixed to Crystal clear perfection.
The ac30 really was not even that loud next to a drummer (my drummer) And there is no way to turn him down.....
I have been to many a show where bands have big amps and they are in a tiny club, it just takes a decent engineer to level it out right.....
Also it takes a musician a bit of effrot to learn the amp, and its tone.... thats all I really expect of someone......
PeteM
There are times, particularly when playing rock, when you need to feel the sound hitting you in the back. You seem to play better.
MIKA-the-better-one
exactly you get that enveloped feeling.
Jack White puts a twin cranked into his back at every show......
In the Racounteurs The other singet guitarist has a ac30 aimed into his face as a moniter for guitar sound.
Not to long ago my other guitarist tried using a deville 60watt opposed to his 100/ 180 watt super twin....... the sound was not the same, it broke up way to early and occasionally cut out with the fuzz he was using.......
Guys can rip on louder amps but they have there place in some music circles
vic
Gearhead wrote:
There's no tinnitus involved in opening up your amp that's being mic'ed up, sitting at the back of a stage 15m away in a large stadium. It's the club artist who has a volume problem. That's why I don't understand the fixation on AC30s and Twins, just one pair of output tubes and one speaker does the job exactly the same way.
a Twin speaker amp has a better "room filling" property than say, a single speaker combo, a 4-speaker cab set-up even more so....and I 'm not talking about volume now. I understand what Mika says, also Pete's post makes sense....I believe one can have a room-filling sound with nice break-up (Mika's point) at lower volumes where each instrument is nicely balanced in the mix. It can be very irritating to a listener when one instrument is much much louder or even much softer than the rest.
Ear drum-piercing trebles is another story and another debate perhaps. :-\
MIKA-the-better-one
I really do think one has to know there amp and gear to ge ta good sound.... its very easy for me to make my bassman sound TREBLE ish.... with a jazzmaster...... at the same time I crave that attack, and response from it... so its a fine line to surf........ also its taking it to consideration all ones gear from pedals to cables to pickups.....
arjunmenon
MIKA the better one wrote:
www.desertdisguise.com
now your music ?
Very nice Mika. I quite enjoyed it.
Aubs did the giant favour of posting 2 songs from way back. Thanks Aubs. ?
BMU wrote:
Aubs, you're a hero. Finally. I've been curious to hear that b*std's music for ages. ? ?
Wow really nice. Quality, quality stuff. Shame on you Arjun, false humility gets you nowhere you know. ?
Thanks man ? It's not false humility. Those 2 tunes were done at a time when i was in pretty decent form. These days i battle with writing ☹
+1 on Vic's post about "room filling". I feel a band loses out on a lot of dynamics by playing uber-loud (which isn't necessarily a bad things depending on what the band's going for). Listening to really loud music for extended periods just tire my ears out.
singemonkey
50watt and 100watt amplifiers were designed for professional musicians playing to large venues. Big theaters. Not pokey nightclubs. Before there was any micing of guitar amps live. I agree that these amps need to be cranked for max tone - and I think that, even if it's an opinion, it's also a matter of consensus. But to me it seems foolish to use such powerful amplifiers in the kinds of venues we play.
I'm going to get my amp black-faced so I can use its natural overdrive. I'm also going to put some kind of attenuator into it. I'm also only going to run two ten inch speakers with it. Would it sound better cranked to 6 or 7 at 50watts with four ten inch drivers? Maybe. But not when it's bouncing off hard walls that are very close in on it. That's as much a factor as the amp sound itself. It may sound good on stage. But out in the audience it's often a confused bombardment - which only wears off when you experience the short term hearing damage after half an hour or so that, after many repeats, results in hearing loss and tinnitus.
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I weep for people with hearing loss.
Renesongs
Viccy wrote:
I weep for people with hearing loss.
+1
MIKA-the-better-one
@ singermonkey, for your bassman which is the same as mine, I find that the lower DB input I think drops it by 8 dbs is great for church style volume....
But to get it to crunch, thats a mission..... even with a atteneuator, tried one once and my amp was not a happy fellow....
Upon moving to USA I plan to get a vibrolux which to me seems the best for lower wattage, and warm tone
singemonkey
MIKA the better one wrote:
But to get it to crunch, thats a mission..... even with a atteneuator, tried one once and my amp was not a happy fellow....
Needs blackfacing. That's why. Probably a lot of work for the amp tech, but cheaper than a bassman reissue, or a clone.
Warren
Viccy wrote:
I weep for people with hearing loss.
? +1;
BMU
singemonkey wrote:But to me it seems foolish to use such powerful amplifiers in the kinds of venues we play.
Yes!!!
And another +1 to Viccy's post. Nailed it in one sentence.
