Are these guitars still the Top 10?

Malkav

Arjun Menon wrote: I'd bump off the Gibson Flying V for the Parker Fly, the SG for the Musicman Silhouette, the Rickenbacker for the Anderson Cobra S, and the Ibanez for the ~~Suhr Modern 24~~

Dude no, that was just heresy...

In fairness though if we are talking about guitars with aspects of design to them that revolutionised the guitar world then that list is about as good as you could hope for. Sure Parker and Steinberger are really cool (I happen to be a fan of both) but the problem is that their break through designs only really apply to their own guitars - Just my thoughts on why they may not have been included ?

Talking about the evolution of guitars though, I've recently become very interested in guitars that are designed purely from an ergonomics point of view which has led me to discovering these:

Strandberg guitars 8) They're apparently super comfy to sit with and sound amazing (Or so I've heard). They're designed with all the various playing postures in mind, the general idea is that you'll never play something more comfortable or form fitting ?

They also do fanned fret necks which excites me, I've never gotten to play one but my love of extended scales makes me think this would be perfect. I believe the picture above is of one that has a 27" - 26,3" scale...Sounds nom nom nom to me ?

He also makes super freaky stuff like this:

Also they make seven strings which makes them super duper awesome beyond words ?

arjunmenon

CostaFonix wrote: thanks,,, wow thats quite a bit of $$'s,,
now to track one down for a test-drive......

Yup, i figured that it would take me a year (realistically..what with all the other commitments i have) to have that kind of money together.
Suhr in SA are like hen's teeth. SA Suhr owners would obviously protect their guitar like their own child (if not more).
If you ever get to test drive one, do let me know what you think of it. In the meantime, all i can do is hope that Mojo jojo gets one (unless he doesn't have one already) and would be kind enough to let my play it.

costafonix

Arjun Menon wrote:
CostaFonix wrote: thanks,,, wow thats quite a bit of $$'s,,
now to track one down for a test-drive......
If you ever get to test drive one, do let me know what you think of it.

suhr ? ?

arjunmenon

Chad Adam Browne wrote:
Arjun Menon wrote: I'd bump off the Gibson Flying V for the Parker Fly, the SG for the Musicman Silhouette, the Rickenbacker for the Anderson Cobra S, and the Ibanez for the ~~Suhr Modern 24~~
Dude no, that was just heresy...

Lol ? I knew that was coming. I'm a big RG fan myself, but i bet if we placed an RG550 and a Suhr GG next to each other, i'd (you?) pick the Suhr.

Chad Adam Browne wrote: In fairness though if we are talking about guitars with aspects of design to them that revolutionised the guitar world then that list is about as good as you could hope for. Sure Parker and Steinberger are really cool (I happen to be a fan of both) but the problem is that their break through designs only really apply to their own guitars - Just my thoughts on why they may not have been included ?

Too true. They didn't revolutionise the way other people made guitars.

Chad Adam Browne wrote: Talking about the evolution of guitars though, I've recently become very interested in guitars that are designed purely from an ergonomics point of view which has led me to discovering these:

Strandberg guitars 8) They're apparently super comfy to sit with and sound amazing (Or so I've heard). They're designed with all the various playing postures in mind, the general idea is that you'll never play something more comfortable or form fitting ?

Are those Alutone pups?

Bob-Dubery

Tonedef wrote: You'll also probably find that one day in the not-too-distant future, guitars won't be made out of wood, either. If the tree-huggers get their way, that is, which seems likely.

It's not just a matter of hugging trees, it's quite possible that the trees, or the ones that produce the most desirable woods, will vanish. Redwood is getting pretty scarce already. Brazilian Rosewood is almost wiped out. Madagascar Rosewood is pretty good while it lasts.

Some of the mahoganies are getting scarcer and the price is going up, which is why some makers are switching to sapele.

There are woods that are set to disappear, and the percentage of the globe that is forested is shrinking all the time.

There are though woods that are obtainable from properly managed, sustainable sources. IMO there is also a big future in "reclaimed" wood. There's a line of solid body electrics made from a combination of pulp and wood shavings. Apparently they sound quite reasonable.

And there are, of course, good quality woods from well managed, sustainable sources. Most Indian rosewood comes from sustainable sources.

I think there's a future in "alternate" woods. Local builder Mervyn Davis has been using kiaat and, for the ecologically minded, poplar and tasmanian blackwood which are are regarded as invasive species in SA. I found out today that koa is a member of the acacia family, and africa and australia have a lot of acacia.

Malkav

Arjun Menon wrote:
Chad Adam Browne wrote:
Arjun Menon wrote: I'd bump off the Gibson Flying V for the Parker Fly, the SG for the Musicman Silhouette, the Rickenbacker for the Anderson Cobra S, and the Ibanez for the ~~Suhr Modern 24~~
Dude no, that was just heresy...
Lol ? I knew that was coming. I'm a big RG fan myself, but i bet if we placed an RG550 and a Suhr GG next to each other, i'd (you?) pick the Suhr.

Yeah I'd probably take the Suhr, but there were other guitars you could have knocked off the list...Why you go picking on the Ibbys? :'(

Arjun Menon wrote: Are those Alutone pups?

Yes ? I would love to actually hear them in person and try them out - The design and the look fascinate me, but it'll take a lot of convincing to get me off Dimarzio ?

MoJo-JoJoe

Arjun Menon wrote:
CostaFonix wrote: thanks,,, wow thats quite a bit of $$'s,,
now to track one down for a test-drive......
Yup, i figured that it would take me a year (realistically..what with all the other commitments i have) to have that kind of money together.
Suhr in SA are like hen's teeth. SA Suhr owners would obviously protect their guitar like their own child (if not more).
If you ever get to test drive one, do let me know what you think of it. In the meantime, all i can do is hope that Mojo jojo gets one (unless he doesn't have one already) and would be kind enough to let my play it.

Don't got no Suhr's; don't got no Anderson's; don't got no Melancon's; don't got no Thorn's (dammit!); don't dot no Schroeder's; don't got no Collings's; don't got no Klein's; don't got no McInturff's; don't got no Driskill's; etc etc etc

Also don't got no visits from you, Arjun. Drop me a line and let's fix that!

costafonix

MoJo JoJoe wrote:
Arjun Menon wrote:
CostaFonix wrote: thanks,,, wow thats quite a bit of $$'s,,
now to track one down for a test-drive......
Yup, i figured that it would take me a year (realistically..what with all the other commitments i have) to have that kind of money together.
Suhr in SA are like hen's teeth. SA Suhr owners would obviously protect their guitar like their own child (if not more).
If you ever get to test drive one, do let me know what you think of it. In the meantime, all i can do is hope that Mojo jojo gets one (unless he doesn't have one already) and would be kind enough to let my play it.
Don't got no Suhr's; don't got no Anderson's; don't got no Melancon's; don't got no Thorn's (dammit!); don't dot no Schroeder's; don't got no Collings's; don't got no Klein's; don't got no McInturff's; don't got no Driskill's; etc etc etc

Anderson's...now there's another worthy one,,,dont know the others too well,,

costafonix

X-rated Bob wrote:
Tonedef wrote: You'll also probably find that one day in the not-too-distant future, guitars won't be made out of wood, either. If the tree-huggers get their way, that is, which seems likely.
It's not just a matter of hugging trees, it's quite possible that the trees, or the ones that produce the most desirable woods, will vanish. Redwood is getting pretty scarce already. Brazilian Rosewood is almost wiped out. Madagascar Rosewood is pretty good while it lasts.

Some of the mahoganies are getting scarcer and the price is going up, which is why some makers are switching to sapele.

There are woods that are set to disappear, and the percentage of the globe that is forested is shrinking all the time.

I think there's a future in "alternate" woods. Local builder Mervyn Davis has been using kiaat and, for the ecologically minded, poplar and tasmanian blackwood which are are regarded as invasive species in SA. I found out today that koa is a member of the acacia family, and africa and australia have a lot of acacia.

good post Bob,, i'd be very keen to hear what the 'alternate' wood guitars sound like, kiaat in particular based on the hardness I would imagine to be quite resonant?

Wizard

CostaFonix wrote: good post Bob,, i'd be very keen to hear what the 'alternate' wood guitars sound like, kiaat in particular based on the hardness I would imagine to be quite resonant?

Even kiaat is getting a little tricky to find.
Is regarded as a tonewood - those marimba bands you've seen playing?
Their keys are made from kiaat.

costafonix

Wizard wrote:
CostaFonix wrote: good post Bob,, i'd be very keen to hear what the 'alternate' wood guitars sound like, kiaat in particular based on the hardness I would imagine to be quite resonant?
Even kiaat is getting a little tricky to find.
Is regarded as a tonewood - those marimba bands you've seen playing?
Their keys are made from kiaat.

ohh (lightbulb moment ?) good to know,,, thats a very distinctive sound.

singemonkey

But there's a popularity element that the list captures quite nicely. A lot of the guitars people are mentioning are known mostly to their enthusiasts. The ones in the list are essentially, "classic" models that are well known even to most n00b guitar players. And in a fair order of popularity.

You know, for every person who aspires to own a Suhr, there are 100 people who aspire to own an SG. That kind of thing.

MoJo-JoJoe

singemonkey wrote: But there's a popularity element that the list captures quite nicely. A lot of the guitars people are mentioning are known mostly to their enthusiasts. The ones in the list are essentially, "classic" models that are well known even to most n00b guitar players. And in a fair order of popularity.

You know, for every person who aspires to own a Suhr, there are 100 people who aspire to own an SG. That kind of thing.

I guess that depends on what the list refers to. Top 10 most popular? Top 10 best built? Top 10 most innovative? etc etc

"The 10 greatest electric guitars in the world Ever"

Sean

MoJo JoJoe wrote: "The 10 greatest electric guitars in the world Ever"

Oh no ??? you've just given someone an idea for a new thread

MoJo-JoJoe

Sean wrote:
MoJo JoJoe wrote: "The 10 greatest electric guitars in the world Ever"
Oh no ??? you've just given someone an idea for a new thread

Quoted from the OP. Pay attention in the back of the class!! ?

---mario---

@bob
Just remember that the SA acacias and Australian acacias are in fact 2 completely different groups, this has been a debate for a while now and SA's acacias will be receiving a new genus name if it hasn't already, what happened is when the two groups were discovered they were both allocated by accident the same name, and it became apparent that they aren't related with the newish dna testing methods, and after tracking the records, found that Australia's group name was registered before SA's, therefore our old doringbome aren't acacias anymore.

Also, a lot of our "acacias" are too soft a wood for any use except burning... Witch is resulting in large parts of our country only consisting of juvenile trees. What is worth looking into is actually some of Australia's gumtree (eucalyptus) related trees. Here in SA you see mainly the fast growing species used for paper pulp, but some of the other species like Red Iron Bark (pink saligna) and Black Iron Bark are slow growers that produces quality hardwoods, but they need to go through slow or expensive drying techniques to prevent cracking, and they're quite expensive as well, being popular furniture woods with purdy grains.

So I guess we'll see companies starting to experiment with these woods as soon as the traditional ones aren't profitable anymore, or just use synthetic stuff like in the Steinbergers.

singemonkey

If you define popularity in terms of sales, then a bunch of cheapy crappo guitars are going to make the list. But I reckon the original list is a pretty good representation of what people aspire to own - if you group them in broad categories and don't go into the details of each model.

If you went with most innovative, the Bigsby Merle Travis guitar would have to top the list, since it was the first designed-from-the-ground-up electric guitar with two pickups, a solid body, and a vibrato unit. Every other solid electric is just a variation on that theme. Only the details have changed.

Malkav

singemonkey wrote: If you went with most innovative, the Bigsby Merle Travis guitar would have to top the list, since it was the first designed-from-the-ground-up electric guitar with two pickups, a solid body, and a vibrato unit. Every other solid electric is just a variation on that theme. Only the details have changed.

Also that Peavey T-60 thing for being the first ever machine built guitar ?

Sean

MoJo JoJoe wrote:
Sean wrote:
MoJo JoJoe wrote: "The 10 greatest electric guitars in the world Ever"
Oh no ??? you've just given someone an idea for a new thread
Quoted from the OP. Pay attention in the back of the class!! ?

Oh man ... :-[ :-[

costafonix

This list was drawn up by the editor - Neville Martin, deputy editor - Roger Newell and reviews editor - Dave Burrlock and it was essentially a Christmas wishlist to Santa,,,they took into account a handful of classics that stood out both as highly efficient musical tools and virtual cultural icons. It was an old-versus-new dilemma, not to mention personal favouritism. So yes there will be debates and arguments for and against this list. ?