Malkav
Wizard wrote:
LouisNeilson wrote:
There's some truth to this, in that we start to become too reliant on metronomes and other things for our timing, and don't develop our inner timing too well.
I think you
develop your inner timing by playing regularly with a metronome ...
All I can say to this:
If you can't tap your foot in time and play simultaneously then you've got
NOTHING!
Arjun Menon wrote:
singemonkey wrote:
Arjun Menon wrote:
While i'm not entirely guilty of this one, IMO speed applied at the right moment(s) can add a different level brilliance to a piece of music.
As Al Di Meola mentions in a GuitarPlayer interview, too often people diss speed just because they can't do it.
It may be true that as a result some guitar players dislike any speed. But it stems from these dorks who play hideous music and yet are still revered in certain quarters because they can play really fast. The "shredding-as-sport" school of thought is what people hate. It comes from when you're a teenager and someone says," Malmstein's so great. He can play faster than anyone." And you're like, "But you're missing one thing." "What?"
"He sucks."
Fair point Singe, the shredsport thing tires me too, but you have to agree that there are players who slate speed because they can't do it.
As for YJM, i can't really endorse that he sucks. For one, he pioneered the neoclassical shred movement, and i quite fancy his early stuff, purely because you didn't have anybody doing classical music to such a degree on an electric guitar going into a wall of Marshalls.
I have to admit that I'm not a Malmsteen fan, but credit where it's due I don't think you can lump him into the boring shred category. The man has a vibrato from hell, one of the absolute most jaw dropping you could imagine. If you want boring shredding check out Chris Impelitteri, Rusty Cooley or Jamie Humphreys.
arjunmenon
Chad Adam Browne wrote:
If you can't tap your foot in time and play simultaneously then you've got NOTHING!
? Very interesting video. I enjoyed that.
I suppose one has to develop a sense of rhythm first before getting rid of the metronome.
singemonkey
Chad Adam Browne wrote:
Wizard wrote:
LouisNeilson wrote:
There's some truth to this, in that we start to become too reliant on metronomes and other things for our timing, and don't develop our inner timing too well.
I think you
develop your inner timing by playing regularly with a metronome ...
All I can say to this:
Fascinating video.
Bob-Dubery
Do you have to have a lick before you start sucking?
aja
X-rated Bob wrote:
Do you have to have a lick before you start sucking?
This confirms that bob has been infected with alien DNA
Malkav
singemonkey wrote:
Chad Adam Browne wrote:
Wizard wrote:
LouisNeilson wrote:
There's some truth to this, in that we start to become too reliant on metronomes and other things for our timing, and don't develop our inner timing too well.
I think you
develop your inner timing by playing regularly with a metronome ...
All I can say to this:
Fascinating video.
Well I think he raises a valid point ? and I really can't argue with a man capable of playing like this:
Truly breathtaking stuffs ?
Keira-WitherKay
? al di meola has wicked technique. i have one of his dvd's ( instructional) and whoa .hectic stuff , and he does NOT sweep pick anything everything is played as a separate note......... incredible to watch .......... anyway great post re his video on time.......
Wizard
X-rated Bob wrote:
Do you have to have a lick before you start sucking?
No. Just crocs. ?
UncleGoatLips
It's not at all that speed sucks, it's that some guys just overdo it, shred over everything. They see speed as the mark of a good player, the be all and end all. People tend to think that speed = technique which isn't true, speed is just one facet of technique and speed can be broken up into tons of categories, you can speed up any technique excersise be it alternate picking, fingerpicking, hybrid, sweep, tapping bla bla. A lot of guys shred but what they are doing is just running up and down a normal diatonic scale really fast. They would play 10 shapes of D major over a D major chord when they are sweeping, in effect just playing the chord's 1 3 5 arpeggio really fast, so in my mind(ears) not really doing anything expressive or interresting. This is where I like Malmsteen (I don't often admit it in public ?), it's not just that he's fast but he has tone, completely underrated songwriting abilities, he has his own characteristic style, he doesnt always just shred "normal" scalar things(case in point is his obligatory diminished licks, harmonic minor stuffies etc.) uhm, and stuff.
I like to see super speed as almost a percussive expression, building up to speed and slowing down etc. Some guys shred without ever phrasing anything. That was what the dis was for.
Malkav
UncleGoatLips wrote:
It's not at all that speed sucks, it's that some guys just overdo it, shred over everything. They see speed as the mark of a good player, the be all and end all. People tend to think that speed = technique which isn't true, speed is just one facet of technique and speed can be broken up into tons of categories, you can speed up any technique excersise be it alternate picking, fingerpicking, hybrid, sweep, tapping bla bla. A lot of guys shred but what they are doing is just running up and down a normal diatonic scale really fast. They would play 10 shapes of D major over a D major chord when they are sweeping, in effect just playing the chord's 1 3 5 arpeggio really fast, so in my mind(ears) not really doing anything expressive or interresting. This is where I like Malmsteen (I don't often admit it in public ?), it's not just that he's fast but he has tone, completely underrated songwriting abilities, he has his own characteristic style, he doesnt always just shred "normal" scalar things(case in point is his obligatory diminished licks, harmonic minor stuffies etc.) uhm, and stuff.
I like to see super speed as almost a percussive expression, building up to speed and slowing down etc. Some guys shred without ever phrasing anything. That was what the dis was for.
+1 to this, it's nice to see someone who gets the point ? Too often these conversations become too polarised and it's just silly, speed has as much place in music as anything else when used right.
Tamago
There are additional ways to suck at playing guitar besides the ones mentioned in the OP:
a) Go to a supposedly good music school and be put with a teacher who doesn't like you and hammers you for not practicing as much as he'd like you to, when in reality you're trying to cope with a 4 month old baby and a demanding job and your marriage is falling to pieces with coping with wife's PND and the said child. Tell the music school you'll be missing a lesson cause you have to work on a Saturday, they don't inform the teacher who then gets snotty with you on your return. So yeah, I dropped out. Couldn't take that crap anymore.
b) Belong to a forum with guitarists who put you down as they think they are all better than you and try to tell a qualified electronic engineer with 10 years experience they know better how to design a guitar amplifier. Be my guest ? Most of you don't even know the intricacies or calculations of designing amplifiers, filters, and the like.
c) Simply give it up, and that's what I chose to do.
Now that my life is under control I've happily gone back to hacking... and hardware and software and put all of this behind as just a bad experience.
This is in response to a link in the SPAM you send to my mail account!
Tonedef
Tamago wrote:
There are additional ways to suck at playing guitar besides the ones mentioned in the OP:
a) Go to a supposedly good music school and be put with a teacher who doesn't like you and hammers you for not practicing as much as he'd like you to, when in reality you're trying to cope with a 4 month old baby and a demanding job and your marriage is falling to pieces with coping with wife's PND and the said child. Tell the music school you'll be missing a lesson cause you have to work on a Saturday, they don't inform the teacher who then gets snotty with you on your return. So yeah, I dropped out. Couldn't take that crap anymore.
b) Belong to a forum with guitarists who put you down as they think they are all better than you and try to tell a qualified electronic engineer with 10 years experience they know better how to design a guitar amplifier. Be my guest ? Most of you don't even know the intricacies or calculations of designing amplifiers, filters, and the like.
c) Simply give it up, and that's what I chose to do.
Now that my life is under control I've happily gone back to hacking... and hardware and software and put all of this behind as just a bad experience.
This is in response to a link in the SPAM you send to my mail account!
I see.
And where do you fit into all that longwinded rambling?
Tonedef
You see, I don't particularly notice anything about your story where you complain about your own shortcomings. It's always somebody else's fault. I'll blame the job. I'll blame my tutor. I'll blame my wife and child. I'll blame people on the intarnets. I'll blame a goddamned newsletter. :?
With all due respect: Get the fuck over yourself, pick up your axe and get to it!
I suck unbelievably hard, but it's nobody's fault, not even my own. Learning the guitar is bloody hard.
Fact is you probably underestimated (as I did) how hard it would be, and you probably feel that your reach exceeded your grasp. Sure, all of that's true. But there's only ONE SCHMUCK who's going to make that axe do what it's supposed to do, and that's you.
So go do it. Don't let this become another thing in life you didn't finish. >☹
arjunmenon
Jeez...TD you have a point but the language is very unbecoming of you and the forum.
So far i've enjoyed all your posts and am a big fan.
Tamago, no offence but there's a remedy, its called a 6 pack, a fishing rod and a best friend. You're in dire need of some venting. I've been in a similar place as you..although no kids yet, but the wife does love to k@k on me from a dizzy height sometimes when i spend way too much time with the guitar..and rightfully so.
As for people on the forum thinking each one's better than the other, although it's not the idea behind playing guitar, it is understandable.
You don't know me from a bar of soap, so what's to stop you from thinking that i suck...get my point?
And for the record, i know sweet FA about amps. The only thing that concerns me is how it sounds and how it fits in with my finances.
There is an option to unsubcribe to the newsletter. I'm not certain but it should be in your account settings.
Norio & Alan, the 2 guys who run/moderate this site will be able to help you.
G-Man
Maybe my experience with the forum is different because I am an absolute theory illiterate and a basic beginner guitarist. I like to think of myself as a kid who likes coloring-in books and holds the crayons in a fist, whereas the guys and girls who know how to play and write their own songs as painters/artists. So having said that, I found the forum nothing but encouraging and positive when I have questions or even submit terrible audio clips for them to critique.
Tamago wrote:
There are additional ways to suck at playing guitar besides the ones mentioned in the OP:
b) Belong to a forum with guitarists who put you down as they think they are all better than you and try to tell a qualified electronic engineer with 10 years experience they know better how to design a guitar amplifier. Be my guest ? Most of you don't even know the intricacies or calculations of designing amplifiers, filters, and the like.
I agree, it can be difficult to put across your experiences to someone else who may not know anywhere near as much as you do in a particular field,especially when it comes to the internet. Just nod and smile ?
Wizard
Wizard hugs Tamago and hopes it makes it all better ... ?
Tonedef
My intent was certainly not to offend, Arjun, and I apologise to all who were. It would have come across differently had I said the words in person.
I know for a fact the time is going to come when Im going to feel like chucking the towel with my guitar playing - the difference is that I know this is due to my personal failings, and I went through plenty of soul searching to decide whether it would become yet another half-baked attempt at something new. I realised though that I owe this to myself to win this thing, and Tomago owes it to himself. I dont need to know the guy to grok this. Its a matter of pride and self-respect. If you dont have the HUNGER for that though, then admit it and give it up as a bad job without hiding behind excuses. Not everybody is suited to everything. I wont be told however that somebody who has built amps and whatnot since he was a teen, and has the required intelligence to love electronics, is incapable of learning the guitar.
singemonkey
Tonedef, you should probably edit the language. Basically, in complete contradiction to Tamago's post, this forum is pretty heavily anti-flame and we tend to keep things civil and impersonal (which doesn't mean that we don't argue strongly).
On that note, Tamago, if you thing GFSA's treated you harshly, you clearly haven't experienced many internet fora. This is about as mild-mannered as they get. On a lot of fora you'll be torn to shreds for asking a legitimate question that bores the regulars. ???
As to the "SPAM," I don't even get that newsletter - and I'm a forum regular. You see it's opt in. Not most people's definition of spam. It's like complaining to your landlord about a leaking tap that you turned on and can't be bothered to turn off.
Tonedef
singemonkey wrote:
Tonedef, you should probably edit the language.
Probably. But I'm averse to self-censorship. The mods are welcome to perform surgery on it as they deem necessary. ?
Bob-Dubery
Tonedef wrote:
singemonkey wrote:
Tonedef, you should probably edit the language.
Probably. But I'm averse to self-censorship. The mods are welcome to perform surgery on it as they deem necessary. ?
I don't think anybody is telling you what to say. I have often said things and then decided that I regretted HOW I said them. Sometimes I've even apologised for the way I said something but reinforced my position whilst doing so. You can temper your language without diluting your message.
