Betcha cant play that

IceCreamMan

Shredding is an art in itself .... its good we invent new abilitities an new aspects to music even if not our cup of tea.

those guys have spent years developing their abilities, respect !!

Keira-WitherKay

PeteM wrote
LooneyAtTheGate wrote
AndrewD wrote
BMU wrote Can't see Youtube where I'm at, damn. But I betcha I can't play that either, not in 1e6 years if it's Chris Broderick you lot are talking about?

PS - LOL @ our anti-shredders:
"We placed a man on the moon!"
"Bah, *I* wouldn't even *want* to go to the moon."

HAHAHAHAHAHA.
I'm really failing to see that comparison.....
We didn't go to the moon just for the sake of going to the moon....

We shred cos it makes us feel good about ourselves? Same reason we went to the moon.
I think we went to the moon to discover more about the universe and how we fit into it. Isn't that what music is all about as well? To me it is.

ahhhhhhhh thats if you believe they actually went to the moon ?

AlanRatcliffe

Not really anti-shred, more anti the competitive mindset that LooneyAtTheGate mentions.

Most players who attain this level of technical facility tradeoff other musical skills to get there. The really awesome players don't tradeoff much, but still reach very high levels of playing ability. Shawn Lane could probably keep up with these guys, plus be more musical, expressive and far more interesting compositionally.

AndrewD wrote We didn't go to the moon just for the sake of going to the moon....

Actually, in announcing the Apollo Program JFK quoted the mountaineer George Mallory: "Because it's there". But really it was just a big game of one-upmanship with the Russians (politically at least). But scientific exploration never goes to waste in the long run.

Malkav

Alan Ratcliffe wrote Most players who attain this level of technical facility tradeoff other musical skills to get there. The really awesome players don't tradeoff much, but still reach very high levels of playing ability. Shawn Lane could probably keep up with these guys, plus be more musical, expressive and far more interesting compositionally.

Shawn Lane is still pretty much unrivaled in the speed thing and he was an amazing musician, there's no doubts he could take any of them down. I once read an article from Guitar World where some guy had slowed down a bunch of recordings in Cubase of alternate picking lines and then counted peaks etc and made a list of the top 50 fastest alternate pickers. It was a long list and I can't remember all of it but the funny part was that at number 4 sat John Petrucci, Michael Romeo and Bumblefoot with 16 notes per second, at number 3 Guthrie Govan with 17 notes per second, at number 2 Rusty Cooley with 18 notes per second and at number 1 Shawn Lane with 21 notes per second - That is an enormous difference at those speeds ???

As for Chris Broderick, the guys got a doctorate in classical playing or something stupid like that. There's an amazing video of him playing Lagnani and a couple of other good things, also there's a cool video of him doing a walking bass line vamp slap thing on a 7-string that rocks - Just trying to point at that in his case there really is more than meets the eye, though I'm not particularly partial to his actual shredding.

vic

Chad Adam Browne wrote
Alan Ratcliffe wrote Most players who attain this level of technical facility tradeoff other musical skills to get there. The really awesome players don't tradeoff much, but still reach very high levels of playing ability. Shawn Lane could probably keep up with these guys, plus be more musical, expressive and far more interesting compositionally.
Shawn Lane is still pretty much unrivaled in the speed thing and he was an amazing musician, there's no doubts he could take any of them down. I once read an article from Guitar World where some guy had slowed down a bunch of recordings in Cubase of alternate picking lines and then counted peaks etc and made a list of the top 50 fastest alternate pickers. It was a long list and I can't remember all of it but the funny part was that at number 4 sat John Petrucci, Michael Romeo and Bumblefoot with 16 notes per second, at number 3 Guthrie Govan with 17 notes per second, at number 2 Rusty Cooley with 18 notes per second and at number 1 Shawn Lane with 21 notes per second - That is an enormous difference at those speeds ???

As for Chris Broderick, the guys got a doctorate in classical playing or something stupid like that. There's an amazing video of him playing Lagnani and a couple of other good things, also there's a cool video of him doing a walking bass line vamp slap thing on a 7-string that rocks - Just trying to point at that in his case there really is more than meets the eye, though I'm not particularly partial to his actual shredding.

I'm inclined to say..this is not possible. Do the math...21 (individual) notes per second...that means 2.1 notes in 1/10 sec. How long does it take to change from one fret to the next ? How did "they" measure that ? I see you mention cubase...how accurate is that? What about background base-line noise which could be mistaken for musical notes?

LooneyAtTheGate

Well here's a nice analogy regarding the moon landing: you can say the Russians were shredding at 18 notes per... but then the USA went and beat them and managed to play at 21 notes per second
...and all they came back with was a lump of boring grey rock ?

There's always going to be someone faster than you..

BMU

How many guitarists does it take to look at a Youtube shred video?

At least 20. 5 to say wow, 14 to point out it's not music, one to say Shawn Lane would've done it better.

Hehe I'm just messin', but you gotta admit this is a pretty repeatable pattern.

vic

LooneyAtTheGate wrote Well here's a nice analogy regarding the moon landing: you can say the Russians were shredding at 18 notes per... but then the USA went and beat them and managed to play at 21 notes per second
...and all they came back with was a lump of boring grey rock ?

There's always going to be someone faster than you..

Looney, that boring grey rock held many answers, for example it showed that the moon was once part of our planet earth's outer layers and that the moon does not have precious metals.. ☹ Good for that or we would have had a WW3 on our hands in the 70's ?

Seventhson

I must admit shredding is my fav thing to do on the guitar. I love the speed.

Shredding for me makes me feel manly lol. And also makes me feel good and confident about my guitar playing.

BMU

Just for the record, I did not draw an analogy between near-space exploration and shredding. Mine was a psychological treatise.

IceCreamMan

Keira WitherKay wrote
PeteM wrote
LooneyAtTheGate wrote
AndrewD wrote
BMU wrote Can't see Youtube where I'm at, damn. But I betcha I can't play that either, not in 1e6 years if it's Chris Broderick you lot are talking about?

PS - LOL @ our anti-shredders:
"We placed a man on the moon!"
"Bah, *I* wouldn't even *want* to go to the moon."

HAHAHAHAHAHA.
I'm really failing to see that comparison.....
We didn't go to the moon just for the sake of going to the moon....

We shred cos it makes us feel good about ourselves? Same reason we went to the moon.
I think we went to the moon to discover more about the universe and how we fit into it. Isn't that what music is all about as well? To me it is.

ahhhhhhhh thats if you believe they actually went to the moon ?

? my brother in law who is otherwise a very astute fellow absolutely believes this did not happen .... at family gatherings this is often discussed. I knw about the shadows etc etc etc etc ..... reminder made me laugh...

Edit: until this topic i had never heard of or anything from Shawn Lane .... shocking ne , time to remedy that

AndrewD

if it didn't happen - the russians would have been very quick to point it out....

vic

AndrewD wrote if it didn't happen - the russians would have been very quick to point it out....

Well, the Man on the Moon confirmed the Americans were there.

Did you hear about the restaurant on the moon?
It has great food, but no atmosphere.

?

Malkav

Slow down the waveform and time stretch - then count the peaks. Or at least this is what they claim they did, honestly having seen pretty much every Shawn Lane video that's out there I wouldn't be suprised if that number was completely right...It could have been incorrect and we could have a giant debate about it, but if you ever go through the schlep of trying to find out who is the "fastest" you'll find tons of strange lists and weird methods in which people have measured and I can guarantee Shawn Lane will appear in all of them with a staggering figure.

LooneyAtTheGate

Seventhson wrote I must admit shredding is my fav thing to do on the guitar. I love the speed.

Shredding for me makes me feel manly lol. And also makes me feel good and confident about my guitar playing.

I feel the same.

I have to shred with headphones though, it irritates the s**t out of my girlfriend with all the widdlywiddly woo.. I can see her point...
So i also like to focus on melody and feeling, you've got to have a balance.

Also need to check out Shawn Lane :-[
You see these debates on moonforum.co.za do serve a purpose!

singemonkey

IceCreamMan wrote
Keira WitherKay wrote ahhhhhhhh thats if you believe they actually went to the moon ?

? my brother in law who is otherwise a very astute fellow absolutely believes this did not happen .... at family gatherings this is often discussed. I knw about the shadows etc etc etc etc ..... reminder made me laugh...

This for me is the best case study in conspiracy theories. It's so obviously ludicrous that it allows a person to really see how the conspiracy theorist puts their stuff together. You don't even need to be any kind of expert to spot the radically flawed reasoning they use (having done a little photography immediately shoots down about half of their claims). The fact that they can't see sense, is a very worrying psychological reality. If they can't figure this out, how much more difficult for people to give up slightly more plausible - but nonetheless ridiculous - ideas?

Malkav

LooneyAtTheGate wrote Also need to check out Shawn Lane :-[
You see these debates on moonforum.co.za do serve a purpose!

IceCreamMan wrote Edit: until this topic i had never heard of or anything from Shawn Lane .... shocking ne , time to remedy that

Both of you go to Youtube now and search for Grey Pianos Flying, Not Again, Get You Back, Esperanto or Rules Of The Game, look for the REH versions cause they're slightly better quality. Then sit back and take in one of the most amazing players to ever grace this planet ?

LooneyAtTheGate

Just watched Grey Pianos Flying.... Beautiful!
Feeling and shred, a perfect balance. ?
Thanks for that!

Malkav

LooneyAtTheGate wrote Feeling and shred, a perfect balance. ?

This is exactly why I love him! Seriously though there's a non REH version of Get You Back, it's about 8 minutes long and it's amazing! possibly my favourite video of him in terms of the playing and interpretation but alas as is with most Shawn Lane videos the quality is not so great. I also highly recommend checking out his instructional videos, he's another one of those guys who just blow your mind with something you never thought about almost immediately having an effect on your playing ? there's a video on playing pentatonics in groups of 5 and he just points out a slight posture change that just makes an enormous difference ? Also go check out the videos where he talks about timing and how he uses the Carnatic system to count notes ? it's awesome and just another thing that'll blow your mind ?

Tha - Ka - Di - Mi - Ta ?

LooneyAtTheGate

Chad Adam Browne wrote
LooneyAtTheGate wrote Feeling and shred, a perfect balance. ?
This is exactly why I love him! Seriously though there's a non REH version of Get You Back, it's about 8 minutes long and it's amazing! possibly my favourite video of him in terms of the playing and interpretation but alas as is with most Shawn Lane videos the quality is not so great. I also highly recommend checking out his instructional videos, he's another one of those guys who just blow your mind with something you never thought about almost immediately having an effect on your playing ? there's a video on playing pentatonics in groups of 5 and he just points out a slight posture change that just makes an enormous difference ? Also go check out the videos where he talks about timing and how he uses the Carnatic system to count notes ? it's awesome and just another thing that'll blow your mind ?

Tha - Ka - Di - Mi - Ta ?

Also checked the lesson on 'How to Develop an Outside Sound' but couldn't find stuff on Carnatic system.. Post if link if you can Chad pls!

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